When I said using Free Software, I meant running it as well, of course. But the main point I said was that you may have most of your communication with your colleagues not end-to-end encryption, while most WhatsApp users are likely to have that.
As some practical results, most people may be having far more end-to-end encrypted communication than you and I. That's quite disturbing, isn't it? :) On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 12:34:06PM +0100, Alberto Cammozzo wrote: > Thank you Lluís, > > as you say, "likely-private communications": you can't trust proprietary > software, but even free software can't be trusted if it's run behind > closed doors. > > I run all my servers, I sign my certificates, use only free software and > encryption. > All my DNS traffic runs through VPN to avoid ISPs DPI tampering. > I use alternative search engines and tracking protection plungins in my > browsers, installed Cyanogen Mod on my phone (no G apps), shut down > Gmail and Dropbox accounts and moved some servers in EU after Snowden > revelations. > Shut down Linkedin account after MS acquisition as well. > No Facebook, no WhatsApp. > > So far so good, but what is it all for? ~75% of my email correspondents > use Gmail ... > You cant decentralize alone... > We need to fix this quickly or the information revolution will be lost > and archived as an annex of the industrial revolution. > > Bests, > > Alberto > > fonts.googleapis.com is the center-node of my networking graph. > > - > Alberto Cammozzo > http://tagmenot.info > @dontTag > > On 07/02/2017 10:56, Lluís Batlle i Rossell wrote: > > Thank you for this writing and the link to the blogpost. I feel quite > > identified. > > > > I also host my email and, moreover, I'm lazy to set up the ssl for all > > that. That's enough headache, and I also have to use a third-party MTA to > > be trusted, etc. And all the colleagues use email. > > > > But this means that I often face this situation: what is more important: > > to run free software, or to have likely-private (but I can't check) > > communications with my colleagues? > > > > I choose the free software, when I am faced with that question. And I get > > into that question quite often. > > > > On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 12:35:38PM +0100, Alberto Cammozzo wrote: > >> As Moxie Marlinspike put it: "cannibalizing a federated > >> application-layer protocol into a centralized service is almost a sure > >> recipe for a successful consumer product today." > >> Successful, but short-sighted. No federated or even interoperable > >> infrastructure will likely emerge from here. > >> > >> If e-mail system was to be built today, we would have one for Facebook, > >> one for Google, one for Apple... > >> All of them proprietary and probably non-interoperable: you would need > >> at least four accounts to talk to everybody. > >> > >> Our current Web-centered communication ecosystem is similar to the > >> balkanized pre-Internet: Bitnet, SNA, DECNET, Fidonet, OSI X.400, uucp... > >> IBM, Digital and others were then profitably competing over a > >> communication infrastructure and had no interest in cooperating to build > >> a federated one. > >> This impasse ended with government-funded TCP/IP: it was suitable, > >> simple, free, open. It won quickly (but ICT users were literate then). > >> What was the return on investment? On the immediate, zero. > >> On the long period? Huge. ROI was systemic. > >> > >> We are in a similar market failure condition: "centralized" dominant > >> companies won't drop profitable business, and "decentralized" startups > >> wont get zero-ROI funding. > >> Business can go an for a while in this ecosystem (where most users don't > >> care of the architecture). > >> It makes rather sense that governments, or non-profits or crowdfunded > >> initiatives sponsor systemic infrastructures upon which business can > >> evolve and competition thrive (as it makes sense that governments break > >> monopolies, too). > >> The EU should be a good candidate, only if it was rational about > >> competition. > >> > >> Bests, > >> Alberto > >> > >> [1] <https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Alberto Cammozzo > >> http://tagmenot.info > >> @dontTag > >> > >> > >> > >> On 05/02/2017 21:17, Yosem Companys wrote: > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> One of the problems may decentralized startups are confronting in > >>> Silicon Valley is that venture capitalists are telling them that they > >>> need to be centralized because there is no business model in > >>> decentralization. > >>> > >>> For an example, think Diaspora: The original vision of Diaspora was a > >>> social network where each person could have his or her own node in the > >>> network and connect to others to share data similar to how Napster > >>> connected people to download music. But the data would live in your > >>> machine, not Facebook's. > >>> > >>> Can anyone think of decentralized business models that are profitable > >>> so folks on this list who are struggling with pitching > >>> decentralization as a business model can succeed? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Yosem > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> - > >> TagMeNot > >> http://tagMeNot.info > >> @dontTag > >> > >> -- > >> Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable on Google. Violations > >> of list guidelines will get you moderated: > >> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, > >> change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at > >> compa...@stanford.edu. > > > > -- > - > TagMeNot > http://tagMeNot.info > @dontTag > > -- > Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable on Google. Violations of > list guidelines will get you moderated: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, > change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at > compa...@stanford.edu. -- (Escriu-me xifrat si saps PGP / Write ciphered if you know PGP) PGP key D4831A8A - https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/ -- Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu.
