Good point, Terry. I didn't think of that. On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 9:48 AM Terry Winograd (via cpsr-activists list) <cpsr-activists+winograd=cs.stanford....@lists.cpsr.org> wrote:
> This is an ongoing debate. The observation about how students treat a > single required ethics course is valid, and therefore it requires a lot of > work to make it more engaging (as Stanford is trying to do now). The > problem with trying to integrate it into courses in general is that either > it is taught by faculty who have the same "let's get this over with" > attitude, or by special visiting faculty who drop in for a session or two, > and it still isn't integrated and leads to complaints about losing course > time that the faculty need for the "real material.". Of course it depends > on the local culture and personalities. > --t > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 9:35 AM Doug Schuler (via cpsr-activists list) > <cpsr-activists+douglas=publicsphereproject....@lists.cpsr.org> wrote: > >> >> I probably shouldn't have dragged Dick's name into this but here's my >> take on what he was saying. >> >> IF the ethics / social responsibility material presented in college is >> relegated to a single, required course (and is not integrated with more >> technical material throughout) then it likely to be disparaged by students >> and teachers alike in the department — and thereby have little effect. >> >> This is evidence from many many years ago but the engineers I worked with >> at Boeing who had had an ethics course acted like it was total BS, a waste >> of time, and not their concern. I'm not saying that they all felt this way >> but their views seemed to be fairly commonplace — which is why I thought >> that Dick's comments were probably pretty relevant. >> >> — Doug >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:34 PM Yosem Companys <ycompa...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Why did he think it was a bad idea? >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:29 PM Doug Schuler < >>> doug...@publicsphereproject.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Good info! >>>> >>>> I had been talking to Dick Sclove about this recently and he said that >>>> adding ethics or social responsibility as a class that graduates had to >>>> take was essentially a bad idea. Louis Bucciarelli apparently was using >>>> this in the engineering department at MIT. >>>> >>>> I wonder if this approach is being taken in any other CS departments. >>>> >>>> — Doug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul (via cpsr-activists list) >>>> <cpsr-activists+tallpaul=gmail....@lists.cpsr.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> speaking of curriculum: >>>>> Harvard works to embed ethics in computer science curriculum – >>>>> Harvard Gazette >>>>> >>>>> https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/01/harvard-works-to-embed-ethics-in-computer-science-curriculum/ >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:01 PM Yosem Companys (via cpsr-activists >>>>> list) <cpsr-activists+ycompanys=gmail....@lists.cpsr.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Wow, I'd love to see that, even if for historical reasons... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 6:33 PM Jeff Johnson (via cpsr-activists >>>>>> list) <cpsr-activists+jjohnson=uiwizards....@lists.cpsr.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> CPSR Folks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I seem to recall that educators in CPSR developed a “Socially >>>>>>> Responsible Computing” curriculum for college courses. Am I remembering >>>>>>> correctly? If so, please refresh my memory, or point me to anything >>>>>>> online >>>>>>> about it. 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