Stop trying to avoid the truth and to take things in the wrong context
as is your normal habit.  Yes, forcing prisoners to get naked, put a
dog collar on them, and take photos with them is torture, especially
when it violates their religion.  So is handing them wires, putting a
bag over their heads, and telling them they'll be electrocuted if they
put their feet down, so is allowing dogs to attack them, so is beating
them to death, so is using their religious symbols and putting human
feces on it in front of them, so is putting them into human pyramids,
so is forcing them to have sex and take photos with young boys, so is
keeping them from food and water, and so is putting pink panties on
their heads and making them do cheers.  All of these things and more
happened to people who weren't terrorists, and who didn't do anything
wrong.  Not even jay walking.  

All of these are violations of the Geneva Convention to which America
is bound, all of these are forms of torture.

Some people don't mind wearing panties on their head, some don't mind
seeing someone shit on the Holy Quran, some don't mind being naked
with a dog collar on them and a female soldier humiliating them, but
for THOSE people in this context IS torture.  

It would be like forcing Christians to have homosexual sex, to shit on
the bible in front of them, to rape their wife in front of them, and
otherwise force them to do things that they are STRONGLY morally
against.  



--- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stop evading the issue.  Answer directly please.  No cute little 
> curves or swings.  Just answer the fucking question.
> 
> Do you consider putting pink panties on the heads of Prisoners of 
> War to constitute "torture"?
> 
> Do you consider directing Prisoners of War to do Cheerleading 
> Acrobatic Triangular pile-ups to constitute "torture"?
> 
> Do you consider asking Prisoners of War to skip a meal, go without 
> TV for a night, and/or stand for an hour without sitting, to 
> constitute "torture"?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Eric:
> > 
> > You damned well there was more to it than just panties on people's 
> head. 
> > Even your "extreme libertarian" president acknowledged that.
> > 
> > Stop rehashing Anal Cyst Limbaugh's talking points.
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > >     You know, I think you and I were on the LP NatComm at the 
> same
> > >  time.  I served in 1986 and 1987.
> > >
> > >  I was a hardcore Jim Turney-ite.  Attended NatComm meetings in
> > >  Baltimore, Los Angeles, and other cities.
> > >
> > >  Shame you equate putting panties on someone's head, with 
> torture.
> > >
> > >  Does that mean if my wife throws some pink panties on my head 
> late
> > >  at night when she's being a bit playful, she's actually 
> &quot;torturing
> > >  me?&quot;
> > >




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