I agree. The Democratic party is pretty much irrelevant nowadays. The little presence they have in government goes unnoticed except when one of them says something stupid in public. It's just not worth even talking about them anymore.
M Edward J. Williamson wrote: >Paul, that concept is too difficult for any of these myrmidons to >comprehend. Democrats are not the majority party, and they pretty >much have made themselves a nonentity, so what good does it do to >criticize them? We already did that during the Clinton years. Harry >Browne, for instance, was a huge critic of Clinton and the Democrats >when they were in office. He was a better and more on target critic >than the Republicans, who just cave in anyway. But now, the Democrats >are not in control, nor do they have the White House, so Harry >directs most of his commentary towards the Bush Administration. Oh, >he has plenty of issues with Democrats, all true Libertarians like >he, Paul, and myself do, but we are not going to play the stupid game >of criticizing equally just to be fair to both sides. Democrats are >equally as odious, but since they seem to have little input anymore >what sense does it make to harp about Democrats. > >--- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>I do criticize them. But right now the large government democrat is >>out of office, and the gigantic government republican is in office. >>Also, I'm more offended by Republicans. They talk as though they >> >> >want > > >>small government, but grow it faster than Democrats. The Democrats >>are open and honest about their desire to grow government, the >>Republicans are sneaky liars on top of wanting to grow government. >> >> >> >>--- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>Okay, I'll accept that. So, why then do you never criticize >>>Democrats? >>> >>> >>>--- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>You mean other than the fact that I'm not a leftist in any way, >>>> >>>> >>>that I >>> >>> >>>>oppose all forms of socialism, that I want to reduce the size, >>>> >>>> >>>scope, >>> >>> >>>>cost, and intrusiveness of government, that I adhere to a set of >>>>principles and ethics unlike anyone in either of the major >>>> >>>> >parties, > > >>>>that I demand government adhere to the U.S. Constitution, that I >>>>oppose those who oppose the principles which built America >>>>(Republicans & Democrats), that I oppose the Drug war and all >>>> >>>> >laws > > >>>>against consensual acts, that I demand that our military be >>>> >>>> >used > > >>>ONLY >>> >>> >>>>for the defense of U.S. soil and ships from direct attack and >>>> >>>> >not > > >>>to >>> >>> >>>>"liberate" people in other nations, back UN sanctions, settle >>>> >>>> >>>disputes >>> >>> >>>>among other nations, etc.? Or perhaps it's because unlike the >>>> >>>> >>>left, >>> >>> >>>>or the right, I live my life by foundation of all >>>> >>>> >>>libertarianism...the >>> >>> >>>>non-aggression principle. >>>> >>>>I'm different from the left in every possible way, but I'm also >>>>different from the right in every possible way. >>>> >>>>As they say, Democrats are coke, Republicans are Pepsi, and >>>>Libertarians are 7-UP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>--- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" >>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Like I said Paul, there's virtually no difference these days >>>>> >>>>> >>>from >>> >>> >>>>>Leftist Libertarians like yourself and the Michael >>>>> >>>>> >Moore/Cindy > > >>>>>Sheehan crew. >>>>> >>>>>Name for me one difference between your stances and the >>>>> >>>>> >stances > > >>>of >>> >>> >>>>>the American Left? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>--- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>>There is absolutely no libertarian justification for the >>>>>> >>>>>> >war > > >>>in >>> >>> >>>>>Iraq. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>--- In [email protected], "steven linnabary" >>>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>--- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >Rittberg" > > >>>>>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Why should this be an issue? Why should you be >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >worried > > >>>that >>> >>> >>>>>she's >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>more of a "big government Progressive Democrat?" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >After > > >>>all >>> >>> >>>>>the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>Libertarian Left has basically morphed into an arm of >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>the >>> >>> >>>>>Democrat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>Party. There's no distinguishing any more between >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>Leftist >>> >>> >>>>>America- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>hating Libertarians and Leftist America-hating >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>Liberals. >>> >>> >>>>>They are >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>one in the same. Where's the difference? When's the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>last >>> >>> >>>>>time you >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>heard a Leftist Libertarian criticizing a Leftist >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>Democrat on >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>anything? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>There is no difference between a fascist, America- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >hating, > > >>>RLC >>> >>> >>>>>members >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>like Eric Dondero, and fascist, American-hating Neo- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >Cons. > > >>>>>There is no >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>such thing as "libertarian left" or "libertarian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>republicans". >>> >>> >>>>>>>>Libertarians are no closer to being Democrats than >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>Republicans. That >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>is to say, they are NOTHING like either of them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I understand how you're confused since you're not a >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>libertarian and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>have a hard time understanding what it really means to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >be > > >>>>>one. Hell, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>you're not worthy of calling yourself American, let >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >alone > > >>>>>Libertarian. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>A libertarian is a libertarian. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The REAL difference between "left" libertarians >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >and "right" > > >>>>>>libertarians (or >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>"liberal" libertarians and "conservative" libertarians is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >the > > >>>>>>language we >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>are comfortable with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Personally, I am more comfortable with the touchy-feely >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>language >>> >>> >>>>>of >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>liberals. But then, I am an Orthodox Christian that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>believes >>> >>> >>>>>that faith >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>without action is empty and action without faith is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >futile. > > >>>>>>>It does not matter. A libertarian is still a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >libertarian. > > >>>We >>> >>> >>>>>>simply use >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>different language to say the same thing. Advocates for >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>Self >>> >>> >>>>>Government >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>calls it the "Ransberger Pivot", for those that want to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >know. > > >>>>>>>There was a joke back in the late seventies-early >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>eighties "How >>> >>> >>>>>many >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Libertarians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Just >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>one, >>> >>> >>>>>but a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>couple >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>dozen to argue whether to turn it to the left or the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >right". > > >>>>>>>Cindy Sheehan MAY be a libertarian. I don't know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >Haven't > > >>>a >>> >>> >>>>>clue. I >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>haven't heard anything from her except her definitely >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>libertarian >>> >>> >>>>>>view of >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>the current war(s). But she might be able to screw in a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>light >>> >>> >>>>>bulb. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>What Eric refuses to do is explain why we should support >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>the "Blame >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>America >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>First" republicans and support his stupid war. There >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >might > > >>>be a >>> >>> >>>>>>libertarian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>justification for his war. I don't see it. Afterall, I >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>HAVE >>> >>> >>>>>seen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>libertarian justification for slave restitution, and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >foreign > > >>>>>aid, and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>libertarian opposition to copyrights and patents. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I am definitely not the person to say Eric isn't >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>libertarian. I >>> >>> >>>>>>like Eric, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>have known him for twenty years or so. But, I want to >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >see > > >>>his >>> >>> >>>>>logic. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>BTW, referring to somebody as fascist or nazi or big >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>government >>> >>> >>>>>democrat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>does NOT add anything to your argument. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>PEACE >>>>>>>Steven R. Linnabary, Treasurer >>>>>>>Franklin County Libertarian Party >>>>>>>(614) 891-8841 >>>>>>>P.O.Box#115; Blacklick, OH 43004-0115 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>violent >>> >>> >>>>>>revolution >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>inevitable" John F. Kennedy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. 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