Yes, there are disadvantages to being poor over being rich. That's life. Don't like it? Kill yourself, because that's how it has always been and how it will always be. At least in a capitalist nation, even the most poor person born can become the most wealthy person alive. The same is not true in any other socio-economic system. Is the fact that some people are born wealthy and others are born poor unjust? Not at all. We have no way of controlling where we're born or under what circumstances. We're dealt different cards, and it's up to us to make the best hand we can. Even a bad hand can win over a good one if you play them right.
The key is when you are born into disadvantage is not to dwell on it and to start working to overcome your circumstances. The only think keeping people poor is themselves. You ask how I would deal with the question of black or native population in this country? I'd eliminate any laws to differentiate them from everyone else. Everyone would be equal under the law. I'd say that everyone living within the borders of America (including all Indian reservations) were part of America and subject to the same laws as everyone else in America. I'd eliminate all hate-crimes legislation and all "affirmative action" laws. Everyone would be equal under the law without any government contracts or jobs given preference to minorities. I utterly reject the notion that anyone living today is at a disadvantage because of something that happened 100 years ago and nothing anyone says will change that. Not one black person alive today is at a disadvantage because of slavery in America's past, and not one American Indian is at a disadvantage because of violence against their people in the past. --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, but since having ready money to make more money is rather easy in comparison with having to do it from a scratch, this means that your system favors better born and rich and is unjust from the start. > How do you deal with the question of black or native population in this country then? They are at obvious disadvantage in your society. > Such attitude IMHO will lead to fascism where the businessmen control the laws. > Anna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:46 PM > Subject: vast inequality Re: [Libertarian] Magical Capitalism? > > > You work harder than those who aren't. Nobody said it would be easy. > If you're born with less money than a wealthy guy, you're going to > have a tougher life. You're going to have to work very hard to get > things the other guy got handed to him. You'll have to be more hungry > than he is. You'll have to work harder, smarter, and better than the > other guy to overcome his wealth. If you can't, it's nobody's fault > but your own. > > Nobody is owed anything simply based on their percieved "needs" or > desires. > > > --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If people are born poor or disabled, they are already at disadvantage. > > How do you solve this? > > Anna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Paul > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:49 AM > > Subject: vast inequality Re: [Libertarian] Magical Capitalism? > > > > > > The "problem" of inequality? Since when is that a problem? People > > are not equal. Some are born poor, some are born crippled, some are > > born into priviledge. They should be free to go as far as their > > talents, abilities, and ingenuity can get them. They should have > > equality of opportunity and no other way. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > This is interesting and important what you wrote. It is quite a > > fact, that no known political system was ever able to solve the > > problem of inequality.. What needs perhaps be done is to take the best > > from every known system and see how it could be incorporated in a new > > model of society based on libertarian ideals. > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Deus Ex Machina > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:40 PM > > > Subject: Re: vast inequality Re: [Libertarian] Magical Capitalism? > > > > > > > > > Urmas J??rve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >Under a truly free economic system capital difference could > > > >actually be smaller since there would not be any incentives > > created by the state to not > > > >have people working. > > > > > > this is actually not true. the degree of inequality is related > to the > > > network effects and the diferentiation between competiting > choices. > > > > > > for example links between web sites represents what people > consider > > > worth pointing to. this is a power law distribution, ie very very > > > unequal. even though there might be only minor differences > between the > > > perceived value of choices. > > > > > > small differentiation amongst choices are amplified by the network > > effects > > > of society and lead to vast difference of unequal outcomes. > > > > > > there is a very strong relationship between inequality of > outcome and > > > freedom. the greatest inequality occurs under the maximum freedom. > > > > > > the entire point of socialism is to prevent that inequality of > > outcome. > > > > > > where socialism becomes mandatory force is inevitable, where > socialism > > > is voluntary, inequality eventually undermines or tears the > > structure apart. > > > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS E government Libertarian E government strategy > > > Libertarian party E government procurement > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > YAHOO! 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