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I have never seen such a large amount of artfully-confused logic on this forum originating from a single source. Such an overt abandonment of so many Libertarian principles is a fairly new phenomenon here. I find the whole idea of throwing quality of reason out the window and winning solely by quantity as a new challenge. But not having the time or speed of a writer, I am at a loss as to how to deal with it, and am open to suggestions (and help) from other members. -Mark _____ The change name cannot not change the meaning. Causing death by removing prematurely the unborn fetus is a murder if done with premeditation. There are variety of murders though. Intentional and unintentional killings have different categories. In France it is still a legitimate plea to claim emotion as an excuse. Then there are murders committed out of ignorance. In this category falls a murder of a baby if a mother or a father think like you. But if we recall the Nuremberg trials, a decision was then made that ignorance is not a valid excuse. You are proposing a social system which absolves people from taking responsibility for their actions. Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: mark robert To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:22 AM Subject: RE: [Libertarian] Re: Libertarians for Life Anna, Execution has long been a common punishment for murder. Far from "mine", you are the one promoting the legal definition of abortion as murder. Don't blame me for causing a likely ramification/consequence of your position; I'm only the messenger. It matters not that you don't personally like capital punishment. If you don't want women convicted of abortion punished as murderers, then maybe you should stop calling it that. If you think laws don't always include violent enforcement, you don't understand their nature. No wonder you are oblivious to the consequences of what you promote. My respect for life is aligned with my own kind, and its/our universal instinct to survive and thrive. Yes, those are my conditions. Do you have no conditions? Do you respect all life equally? Do you give just as much respect to chicken life as you do human life? Would you prefer that those who eat fried chicken also be charged with murder? If not, then you also have conditions - and decide that certain kinds of life have more rights than others. -Mark _____ No, it is your assumption as I would never punish anyone for any crime by murdering him. So, this must be your ramification what you would do if faced with a case of a mother who is charged with killing of her baby in the 9th of pregnancy, if the law would prevent it. Laws do not require violent solutions, but education. At any rate, to most decent people it is obvious that killing of a baby once it ceases to be a fetus [ about 3-4 month max] should be considered a crime. Besides logic, most humans also use conscience when making moral decisions. From a psychological point of view, your view is abnormal. You have no respect for life unless it meets your conditions. This is as far from libertarianism as one can get. Anna _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
