Cato Foreign Policy Briefing No. 50: Does U.S. Intervention Overseas Breed Terrorism? The Historical Record by Ivan Eland, then director of defense policy studies at the Cato Institute at http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb-050es.html
Americans have been made a target as a consequence of US govt taxpayer subsidies that make oppressors harder to overthrow and reduces resistance options to the point that 'our' innocents can ALSO become the 'collateral damage' of what are percieved to be the remaining 'self defense' options by 'them' Misunderstandings along with a perspective that discounts concerns about 'collateral damage' innocents manifests on all sides of this US govt taxpayer subsidy inflamed violence. These are some reasons why THE 'consistent libertarian' position is to end ALL US govt taxpayer subsidy to ALL middle east rulers! USA presence in the Persian Gulf helps extremists to recruit for the holy war! Said US Rep Ron Paul (R) in Congress Sept 25, 2001: "The hatred has been suppressed because we are a powerful economic and military force and wield a lot of influence. But this suppressed hatred is now becoming more visible and we as Americans for the most part are not even aware of how this could be. Americans have no animosity toward a people they hardly even know. Instead, our policies have been driven by the commercial interests of a few. And now the innocent suffer" MoreAt http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr092501.htm If someone keeps poking a stick into a hornets nest but then manages to duck out of the way as the hornets swarm upon YOU in defensive retaliation would it make sense to deal ONLY with the hornets? MoreAt http://www.antiwar.com RealMedia Download/Playbacks Telecast soon after 911; includes ABC-TV Austin affiliate (KVUE) street rally interview with Terry Liberty Parker in first few minutes in which the LIBERTARIAN response to 911 is briefly described. RealMedia Download/Playback http://images.indymedia.org/imc/austin/lll01100.rm Libertarian national Muslim figure, Dean Ahmad of http://www.minaret.org publishes 'Islam and the Discovery of Freedom' on the 50th anniversary of the creation of the modern state of Israel; and takes live unscreened calls from viewers on this 1 hour TV show. RealMedia Download/Playback http://txliberty.dyndns.org/inetpub/wwwroot/webfiles/LL980502.rm Also: Muslim Think Tank Hails Fatwa Against Terrorism! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/39704 -Terry Liberty Parker AustinLibertyInterNet Radio/TV at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyProspects/links VoiceCall 1.512.462.1776 every Sunday 6:30pm (cdt) to ? I host informal disscussion to which all are welcome who want to consider ideas & issues of Liberty & Justice for ALL in Hickory St Grill at 8th & Congress, Austin TX Look for me, MyPicAt http://profiles.yahoo.com/txliberty OnLineAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/chat --- In [email protected], Chris Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I understand and I respect all of these comments. I > guess, for me, two things factor in that make it a bit > difficult for me. One is that I was a lifelong > Republican and I'm slowly recovering from that. The > other is that my little brother is a Marine who served > in Iraq at the beginning of the war and lost a close > friend within a few feet of him ON his birthday (No > lie). Many of my friends are Marines who served in > Iraq and I guess it's just difficult to come to terms > with the insanity and inanity of it all. > > --- mark robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Right. Support of the war is no small detail. > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > We don't have to agree on every issue. We only have > > to agree on > > one. > > That is the non-aggression principle. If you > > believe it's ALWAYS > > wrong to initiate force against those who have not > > initiated > > force > > agaisnt YOU, you are a libertarian. If you think > > it's ok to use > > force > > against other people who have not used force against > > you > > (especially > > for political gain or social engineering), you are > > not a > > libertarian > > regardless of how many times you claim to be such. > > > > This is the defining characteristic of > > libertarianism. > > > > Those who claim to be libertarian while supporting a > > wholly > > unprovoked > > and unconstitutional war of aggression like the war > > in Iraq are > > liars. > > One can not be both a libertarian and a supporter of > > the war in > > Iraq > > at the same time. They are mutually exclusive and > > diametrically > > opposed. > > > > These people are no different than someone who > > claims to be a > > Christian but doesn't believe in Jesus and prefers > > to worship > > Satan, > > and then says... > > > > "Come on guys, we don't have to all walk lockstep to > > be > > Christians. > > Some of us worship Satan and don't believe in Jesus, > > and some of > > us > > worship God and do believe in Jesus. What's > > important is that we > > bring lots of people to the church regardless of > > what they > > believe in." > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "mark robert" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Very true, except upping the Iraq war would feed > > said gov. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, we don't all have to agree on every point and > > > issue to be united in our stand against big > > > government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________ > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl.yahoo.com > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. 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