Imo, it's far more productive to focus public attention upon the effect of govt policy in the middle east that produces retaliatory 'blowback' effects... like 911
Cato Foreign Policy Briefing No. 50: Does U.S. Intervention Overseas Breed Terrorism? The Historical Record by Ivan Eland, then director of defense policy studies at the Cato Institute at http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb-050es.html Americans have been made a target as a consequence of US govt taxpayer subsidies that make oppressors harder to overthrow and reduces resistance options to the point that 'our' innocents can ALSO become the 'collateral damage' of what are percieved to be the remaining 'self defense' options by 'them' Misunderstandings along with a perspective that discounts concerns about 'collateral damage' innocents manifests on all sides of this US govt taxpayer subsidy inflamed violence. USA presence in the Persian Gulf helps extremists to recruit for the holy war! Said US Rep Ron Paul (R) in Congress Sept 25, 2001: "The hatred has been suppressed because we are a powerful economic and military force and wield a lot of influence. But this suppressed hatred is now becoming more visible and we as Americans for the most part are not even aware of how this could be. Americans have no animosity toward a people they hardly even know. Instead, our policies have been driven by the commercial interests of a few. And now the innocent suffer" MoreAt http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr092501.htm If someone keeps poking a stick into a hornets nest but then manages to duck out of the way as the hornets swarm upon YOU in defensive retaliation would it make sense to deal ONLY with the hornets? MoreAt http://www.antiwar.com RealMedia Download/Playbacks Telecast soon after 911; includes ABC-TV Austin affiliate (KVUE) street rally interview with Terry Liberty Parker in first few minutes in which the LIBERTARIAN response to 911 is briefly described. RealMedia Download/Playback http://images.indymedia.org/imc/austin/lll01100.rm Libertarian national Muslim figure, Dean Ahmad of http://www.minaret.org publishes 'Islam and the Discovery of Freedom' on the 50th anniversary of the creation of the modern state of Israel; and takes live unscreened calls from viewers on this 1 hour TV show. RealMedia Download/Playback http://txliberty.dyndns.org/inetpub/wwwroot/webfiles/LL980502.rm Also: Muslim Think Tank Hails Fatwa Against Terrorism! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/39704 Lawrence of Arabia (Download ONLY) PBS 2hr special providing much insight to today's middle east turmoil http://txliberty.dyndns.org/inetpub/wwwroot/webfiles/LawrenceArabia.wm v Crusades in the 'Holy Land' Recording picks up just after the first 'Christian' crusade takes Jerusalem by invading the heartland of Arab territory http://txliberty.dyndns.org/inetpub/wwwroot/webfiles/Crusades.wmv -Terry Liberty Parker AustinLibertyInterNet Radio/TV at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyProspects/links VoiceCall 1.512.462.1776 every Sunday 6:30pm (cdt) to ? I host informal disscussion to which all are welcome who want to consider ideas & issues of Liberty & Justice for ALL in Hickory St Grill at 8th & Congress, Austin TX Look for me, MyPicAt http://profiles.yahoo.com/txliberty OnLineAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/chat --- In [email protected], "Nicolas Leobold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > WHY AMERICANS REFUSE TO BELIEVE THE 9/11 EVIDENCE > > An Analysis by TvNewsLIES.org - April - 2005 > > The attacks of 9/11 were so unthinkable that most Americans would > refuse to believe the complicity of their own government, even if > presented with a mountain of evidence. > > Very simply, it is possible to escape blame if you do something that > nobody in the world believes you could do. > > PROLOGUE > > When I was 11 years old I sat next to my friend and fellow class > clown Jeffery, quietly thinking of ways to torture the unsuspecting > substitute teacher. Jeffery and I were competing comedians, always > trying to "get over" on each other in school. Jeffery was good and > there were no limits to what he would do. > > On this particular day we sat next to each other, sharing one of the > double desks with which Brooklyn school children of the 70's were so > familiar. As our unsuspecting substitute turned his back to write > something on the black board, Jeffery raised his arm and launched > all his own books across the room in the direction opposite from > where I was seated, immediately turning towards me with a look of > horror and shock plastered on his face. The teacher, alarmed by the > noise of the book launching, spun around only to see Jeffery's books > scattered around the room. His loose leaf binder had opened up and > produced an explosion of confetti in the form of notes and homework > sheets. > > A quick glance our way by the teacher brought into view a shocked > Jeffery, who appeared to be the victim, sitting right next to me and > staring at me with an expression of, "What the hell did you just > do?" splashed on his face. I sat there, speechless, as the person on > the right side of Jeffery's books prior to their launch to the left. > I had nothing to say because the truth was simply not believable and > no convincing lie presented itself. > > Anyone witnessing this scene from the teacher's vantage point could > only come to one conclusion, Jesse did it. Even if I tried to > explain that Jeffery launched the books, who would believe me? After > all, who would have done this to his own property? Jeffery would > have to spend the next hour or so reassembling his loose leaf > binder. There is no way he would have done this to himself. No way, > except for one thing...he did do this to himself, his > motive...comedy. I was the patsy for two good reasons. First, I was > sitting right there when it happened' and second - I had a history > of being a clown. I understood why people thought I was guilty and > let me be the first to commend Jeffery for executing the perfect > crime. He did the unthinkable and set up a patsy with his convincing > claim of innocence. > > In this sad, but true story, I was kicked out of the class by our > substitute teacher. I was only 11 years old but I knew enough to > understand that there was no way in hell that anyone would believe > me if I told the truth and said that Jeffery was guilty of tossing > his books . And so, having no proof that I was blameless, I > swallowed my defeat and walked out of the room wondering what form > my revenge against Jeffery would take. > > The point to be made is this: sometimes, the more outrageous an > action, the easier it is to get away with. Sometimes, there is no > way that people can connect the criminal with the crime: the very > idea of guilt is so far out of the norm as to be unthinkable. > > Very simply, it is possible to escape blame if you do something that > nobody in the world believes you could do. If the deed is egregious > enough, even if some proof of your culpability surfaces, you'll be > on safe ground. If people cannot imagine your involvement in an > unthinkable action, they will simply not believe you could possible > be complicit in its commission. Think about it. > > THE ART OF DENIAL > > Flashback to a heinous crime of the recent past: When Susan Smith > appeared before the public to beg the kidnapper of her children to > return them to her, the nation cried with her. Her description of > the guilty assailant was so very believable. It fit right into the > criminal stereotype that had been etched into the psyche of > Americans by the corporate media. And for a few very long days, > everyone believed her. > > But there was one huge problem with her story. It was Susan Smith, > herself, who killed her children. Yes, the unbelievable was true. A > young mother had actually allowed her own children to drown. It was > inconceivable. It just couldn't be. But it was. > > Susan Smith had tried to throw the blame for her crime to a > reasonable patsy. Had her story gone unchallenged, she might have > gotten away with it. As it was, her crime fell apart because there > was an effective investigation. Smith had no way of curtailing or > controlling the inquiry into her crime. And as a result, justice was > done, and Susan Smith was eventually charged and convicted of murder. > > Truth and reality often can be totally unbelievable. It is very > possible for people to totally deny assertions presented to them, > even when provided with very credible of evidence that corroborates > what they are told. A perfect example of such denial occurred when > eye witness accounts of the Holocaust began coming out of war torn > Europe. The unimaginable horror of what was being reported was > simply too terrible to believe. It was easier to deal with the > information as some sort of exaggeration and overreaction. Humans > simply could not do this to other humans. > > Think about what we know about acts of genocide in the Congo or > Rwanda or Darfur? The art of denial is a well honed form of human > self protection. Sometimes it is far easier to close one's eyes to > the truth than to acknowledge what is very painful. Think about that > as well. > > 9/11 AND AMERICAN DENIAL > > In this post 9/11 era, most Americans are unable even to consider > the possibility of US government complicity in the attacks on our > nation even when confronted with a mountain of evidence. In > contrast, many of these same people accept far less believable > scenarios simply on the basis of faith and without a single shred of > evidence such as believing in the existence of a God. Tragically, > they seem to have the exact same blind trust in the Bush > administration. > > At close inspection, the official version of 9/11 is outrageously > full of holes. When those of us who are knowledgeable discuss the > evidence that has unearthed about that day, there is so much to > reveal that we don't know where to start or where to stop. When > tapped for what we know, we have so much to expose that the torrent > of information that rushes can sound like the meaningless rant of a > lunatic. Regardless of how credible or tangible the evidence, when > rolled out in front of the public, it often sounds too far fetched > or irrational to believe. > > The facts that have come out about 9/11 differ so greatly from the > official story that they almost defy validity. On the contrary, the > official version is so simple as to be perfectly believable. It > places the entire blame on the work of a handful of terrorists who > hated us for our freedom. Case closed. > > It is important to keep in mind that the 9/11 issue is not simply a > question of whose version of a story is correct. This is a case in > which millions of people would be taking a great risk. They would > have to consider that the very government they have trusted and > supported for more than four years may have participated in an > unthinkable atrocity. That, in itself, may be impossible. By > opening their minds to an objective examination of what has been > discovered about the 9/11 attacks, millions of Americans would have > to abandon their blind faith in this administration, and reject the > mistaken belief that those in charge of our nation can do no wrong. > That, too, may be impossible. > > Herein lies the paradox. If the American people want truth they must > acknowledge that they have been deceived. If that were to happen, > and if they were to accept the facts that have been uncovered by the > independent 9/11 research community, their faith in their government > would be irreparably destroyed. In the long run, it is far easier to > maintain one's faith in a deceptive government than to deal with the > painful details of that deception. > > The consequence of such denial is that people end up believing what > they must, rather than what is true. As time passes, they totally > erase the distinction between fact and fiction in order to believe > in their government, and they find themselves living in the America > of 2005. > > They greater tragedy of course, is the nature of the deception that > has been accepted. There are lies, and there are lies. There are > deceptions, and there are horrendous deceptions that alter > history. .It is one thing for Jeffery to have gone unpunished for > throwing his own books around so he could claim the crown of class > clown. Thirty years after the fact, our mutual friends now believe > the truth, and we can laugh at what went on. > > It would have been another thing altogether to have allowed Jeffery > to perpetrate a Columbine-like massacre to claim that same crown. > There is no way that could have resulted in denial, and there is no > way that any one would have dared to laugh. > > BOTTOM LINE > > Ironically, it's almost funny when the fact-based 9/11 research > community gathers to discuss the events of that day. The official > government version of what happened loses so much credibility in the > light of the available facts, films, testimony & chronicled history > that it is almost impossible not to laugh in disbelief when we start > to share what we know. The evidence that has been amassed is so > persuasive as to rip the official version of 9/11 to shreds. And > still, there is no one but ourselves to hear us. > > We go on and on and on like people obsessed because as responsible > citizens of the world we have assigned ourselves the task of > exposing the truth. But we also have to accept the obstacles we > face. We must understand how and why people refuse to believe what > we say despite all the evidence in our possession. To explain that > phenomenon I think about my friend Jeffery and his book launch. He > did something no one believed he could possibly have done. As a > result, he carried it off. > > The people who were responsible for the attacks of 9/11 did > something so unbelievable that most people would not believe they > did it, even if presented with conclusive evidence of their guilt. > As a result, they also carried it off, and the evidence be damned. > > In the end, there is always the comment by those who would discredit > the research and the evidence that has been uncovered. The > defenders of the official version of 9/11 inevitably ask how so many > people could keep a secret. "Wouldn't someone have blown the whistle > by now?" is the constant challenge by the champions of denial. How > naïve they are. > > At the higher levels of government the issue is no longer about > secrecy, but about survival. The extent of the 9/11 crimes are so > great that a very real scenario of self preservation has arisen. It > may well be that whistle blowers fear the consequences of exposing > the truth about 9/11, not to themselves, but to the nation. > > It is highly probable that they believe that their testimony would > lead to the end of the United States of America as a viable power. > > In this worst case scenario, the good people in our government and > in our intelligence community may really fear that America would > never ever regain its credibility in the world, and would never > again be respected or trusted. They may envision a terrible time > when the United States would relinquish its leadership position in > the world and sink to the position of a rogue nation that had > committed an unforgivable atrocity against its own people for > political purposes. If this is so, can anyone blame them for not > coming forward to expose what they know? > > A deep love of country might easily create a dilemma for those who > know the truth. What would happen at that unimaginable moment when a > ranking government official was charged with complicity in 9/11? > Would the nation recover? Could the nation heal after such a huge > betrayal of the trust that has been cultivated and nurtured over our > 230 year history as a nation? > > The people who were involved in 9/11 know that there is more at > stake than their exposure. They already have the blind loyalty of > those Americans who would refuse to believe they could possibly have > been involved. . But deep in their corrupted souls they also have > another ace in the hole. They are counting on the protection of > those who fear for the stability of the nation. They are convinced > of their own invincibility and really believe that they will never > be held accountable. But they also believe that no one of > credibility will step forward to expose them. > > As I did with Jeffery, let me be the first to admit that these folks > seem to have committed the perfect crime. Not in the sense that they > will never be discovered, but in the sense that they believe it will > do more harm to the country to expose them than to play along with > their charade. > > But, in fact, they are badly mistaken. The United States of America > will not crumble with the revelation of their actions because our > foundation is too strong to falter at their hands. History is never > without obstacles to progress and this ordeal will not be an > exception. On the contrary, if and when the truth is ever known, > this nation will be stronger and nobler for that knowledge. > > And it is for those reasons that we must continue to pursue the > truth. > > Bottom line: the real facts are out there, somewhere. The questions > being asked are legitimate and raise reasonable suspicions that must > be addressed. And yet, so few Americans are willing to even examine > the evidence before them. Truly, there are none so blind as those > who will not see. Think about that, and if this farce continues, > weep for us all. > > http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/refusing_the_9_11_evidence.html<http:// wwwtvnewslies.org/html/refusing_the_9_11_evidence.html> > > > ******************************************************* > Nicolas Leobold > > "..just another one of those American gun nuts..." > > Support The Libertarian Party > http://www.LP.org<http://www.lp.org/> > call 1-800-ELECT-US for free info pak > Committed to America's heritage of freedom > -Individual liberty, Constitutional rights, self-ownership, and personal responsibility > -A free-market economy with abundance, prosperity, and opportunity for all > -A foreign policy of non-intervention, peace and free trade with all nations > > Are you a libertarian? > Take the World's Smallest Political Quiz and find out: > http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html<http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html> > View The Philosophy of Liberty animation: > http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf<http://www.isil.org/res ources/introduction.swf> > Find out more about libertarianism: > http://www.Libertarianism.com<http://www.libertarianism.com/> > > "Suppose the Second Amendment said, 'A well-educated Electorate, being necessary for self-governance in a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed.' Is there anyone who would suggest that means only registered voters have a right to read?" > --Georgetown University professor Robert Levy > > Nic says: > "Buy a gun today and protect your family and loved ones from bad people. Avoid crime, terrorism, civil unrest or a tyrannical government with your [choose one] God-given/moral/ethical/civil/human right to protect yourself and exercise self-defense. Don't worry, you already have a license, permit and registration for your guns, it's called your voter registration card, passport, state I.D., or birth certificate. 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