Vic,
You were certainly not joking, as you are now expounding on your fantastic concepts and definitions. Let me try to understand them by a couple rewordings for your approval: I have my own rights, but not the right to violate them or risk violating them. But if I think otherwise, the gov has a right to punish me. The gov not only has the duty to protect me from outside aggression, but also a duty to protect me from me aggressing myself. If I'm caught aggressing myself, or even risking it, I deserve to be punished. Do I have it straight? -mark _____ Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Any laws which attempt to tell people what they must or must not do > with their own safety, own body, own life, etc. is not a valid law or > an infringement. well hold on, on one hand you argue that natural rights are independent from people and then on the other hand you are now arguing that you can forgo your own rights by choice. if natural rights are independent from people then you cant possibly give up your own rights to freedom from physical force even when that force is your own doing. you cant give up something that is not yours. in other words you cant have your cake and eat it too. if the state is there to protect peoples right and protect you from force. and "natural rights" are independent from people then it has an obligation to protect you from your own agression towards yourself, because you cant distance yourself from your rights. just as it has an obligation to protect others from your agression. so which is it? are "natural rights" independent from people or not? Vic _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/U6CDDD/izNLAA/cUmLAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
