A man without knowledge acts against his own will. Russian soldiers did not know much about ideology, economics or social order. Ofc everybody had to learn marxism at school but knowledge about the possibilities they did not have. If you where cought reading the wrong book you where sent to siberia. In Soviet Union people lived under the illusion that they where far better off then the west. That illusion came to an end when the system collapsed but untill that time the avarage joe truly believed the system was correct and they where on the right path - they did not know another way - they where not allowed to know another way. I remember my mother telling me a story. She use to be a guide in the Soviet Union. Estonians from Canada came here and she was assigned to show them around. When they left one lady said to my mother: You are so lucky to not know how unhappy you are. She did not realise what she ment at that time but she did when she was able to visit Sweden for the first time and walked in to a store. She could not help but to cry. Marxism will never work and never has worked. No communist system will. There are many reasons but one of the best is that there is no price system. No economic system can work without a price system. Soviet Union got their prices from Hong Kong and then tried to adapt them to their system. Of course there where many other ''funny'' things in Russia. For example facturies where set a quota in tons how much they had to manufacture. At one time there was not enough nails in Moskow to finish fixing and building roofs. Because it was easier to manufacture big nails then suitable nails for roofs they just did not have enough. So the directors of the plants built bigger ones. If they where able to get to the set quota they got a bonus if they where not they where sent to siberia. This is just an example why you need to have markets to be able to get things you need. The Soviet Union leaders where ruthless mass murderers and Lenin is included. There is no way to justify his actions. They all murdered millions and condemned even more to misery. All that mattered was the greater glory of the state. Now to the LP. I just believe that their leadership isent qualified to actually lead them to such a victory in the elections. From what I have seen they are unable to gather sufficient funds. You can blame that on people not being libertarian but I know of examples when funds have been gathered for more radical projects. The marketing is also poor. For example the TV ads. We have far more catchy ones here. The ones from libertarian party where just dull and not saying much. And third I dont believe their plans such as exit iraq plan will be defendable in a proper debate. I am one of the Reform Party Youth debaters. Yesterday I was able to succesfully defend my plan for private defense instead of national defense. I would love to see such debates being done by libertarian youth in US. Well maybe they are being done but then its a problem of poor connection to the media again. But there are some very good job being done by Libertarian organisations in US. I truly like the work being done in Mises Institute and there are some others. If people would just stop bitching about how things are wrong and try to do something about it things will get better. Here in Estonia my party will come out with a damn good plan for next elections. Sadly I am not one of the people working on it this time. Just not enough time but we are going to lower income tax, abolish land tax and try to atleast partially privatise our health system. With that plan and our quite limited funding about 1.5 million dollars we will most likely take 25-29 seats out of 101 in the parliament. Currently we have 21 members in the parliament. Best wishes, Urmas Järve On 02/07/2006 14:10, uncoolrabbit wrote: > > > Ack, Urmas your still here... I thought I would only have to talk to > > Paul.. wich doesn't require much thought... What are your feelings > > thought on the base issue that this stemmed from... can there be a > > partial libertarian? > > As for the points, your very right on the difference between China > > and Russia. As for the Bolshevik affair, I was not speaking soley > > about the leadership, I mean every single litle red soldier there > > was, did they envision the same end goal as those leaders? Was not > > the marxist ideal for the state to eventualy wither away and > > disapear threw socialism. Lenin's tune changed a great deal when he > > came to power, and continued to change as he menuevered to maintain > > that power. > > With out any stories or poorley thought out analogies, I say this > > Urmas, for any real tangible success in the American Libertarian > > party, it needs to reach out to the moderate centrist minded massess > > with compromise. Liberals and Conservatives compromise, no matter > > how ripe the US political enviroment is for change and a third party > > to step in, if Libertarians are unwilling to compromise with the > > American people, they will not be that third party and will never > > reach more than marginal success. That is what I want to say, > > unfortunatly there is just something about paul that makes me go > > insane and draws me into rediculous arguments... 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