To build fear in the American public so they will offer up their rights to the government and ignore it when the government violates the Constitution and violates our civil rights.
--- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Okay, Paul. Let's follow your reasoning here. If, in your view, > our own Government murdered 182 American citizens at Oklahoma City, > just what was the motive? > > Let alone the fact that there was an FBI contingent stationed at the > Murrah Bldg. and many other government employees. Did they just > want to maybe get rid of some of their own? > > And why OKC? Why not a juicier target like Chicago, Philly or NY? > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > Actually, I suspect the bombing was perpetrated by the U.S. > > Government. Especially since a former FBI chief told me so. I can > > also tell you the bomb wasn't made from fertilizer. > > > > Witnesses don't matter because such accounts are normally > unreliable. > > People get the race, gender, height, weight, clothing, hair color, > > etc. wrong when something big happens like a building blowing up. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > Ahhhhhhhh, gotcha!! Okay then Paul. What's your theory. Since > > > you're admitting they didn't act alone, was it "Nazi extremists > from > > > Arkansas?" Perfectly plausible actually. After all, McVeigh had > > > been in touch with them, and even visited their compound a > couple > > > months before the bombing. Are you an advocate of this line of > > > reasoning? > > > > > > And btw, just how do you explain the dozen witnesses the day of > the > > > bombing who claim forthrightly that they saw an "Arab looking > man" > > > with Tim McVeigh, including and OK City Councilman and his two > > > staffers in downtown OK City? > > > > > > How do you explain the fact that the guy and his wife who rented > the > > > Ryder Truck to McVeigh saw the same gentleman come into his > > > establishment two days before the bombing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > > > > > You have me on record saying the same thing I said the last > time > > > you > > > > asked. There was absolutely, positively, no Iraqi connection > to > > > the > > > > Oklahoma City bombing. I'm not saying Tim McVeigh and Terry > > > Nichols > > > > acted alone, because I personally believe they had little to > > > nothing > > > > to do with the bombing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > > > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'll try this again Paul. > > > > > > > > > > Do you wish to go on public record with stating > categorically, > > > that > > > > > in your view Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols acted completely > > > alone in > > > > > blowing up the Oklahoma City Murrah Fed Bldg? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It wouldn't matter if Iraq murdered 100 million Kuwaitis, > that > > > > > would > > > > > > not be justification for using the U.S. military to get > > > involved. > > > > > > Also, THERE WAS NO MUSLIM CONNECTION WITH THE OKLAHOMA CITY > > > > > > BOMBING....ESPECIALLY NO CONNECTION TO IRAQ!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > > > > > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are correct in one sense. There were far worse > > > human > > > > > > > rights violations committed in other countries around > the > > > globe > > > > > in > > > > > > > the 1980s and 1990s than in Iraq. Sudan, Somalia and > > > Ruwanda to > > > > > be > > > > > > > exact. But of the 3 only Ruwanda tops Hussein's > murderous > > > > > numbers. > > > > > > > And this libertarian believes that it was an ABSOLUTE > > > TRAGEDY OF > > > > > > > MAGINICENT PROPORTIONS that Bill "Burn them Waco Whackos > > > Alive" > > > > > > > Clinton was spending so much time in 1994 and 1995 > worrying > > > > > about > > > > > > > how to smash out David Koresh and cover up for the > Muslim > > > > > connection > > > > > > > to the Oklahoma City bombing, that he totally and > completed > > > > > ignored > > > > > > > the massive carnage in Ruwanda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you asking me if the US was more justified to go > into > > > > > Ruwanda > > > > > > > than Iraq? Yes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But then again, consider that the Huutus never committed > > > > > genocide > > > > > > > outside of their borders. Hussein did, by brutally > > > murdering > > > > > > > upwards of 60,000 Kuwaitis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" > > > > > > > <uncoolrabbit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Far worse human rights issues persist in other > countries > > > that > > > > > are > > > > > > > > not assaulted by the US, many US allies even have > serious > > > > > humans > > > > > > > > rights issues, the invasion did not stop human rights > > > probelms > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Iraq and lastley the US has its own human rights > issues > > > that > > > > > it > > > > > > > > needs to adress. There is no sense in a justification > > > that, > > > > > since > > > > > > > > your killing your population, we are going to kill > them > > > now > > > > > > > isntead, > > > > > > > > while killing our own in the process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would gladley jump on the side of Liberation over > > > Tyranny > > > > > but I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > not so naive to think that the Republican wagon is > > > Liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero > > > Rittberg" > > > > > > > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, the US was justified in invading Iraq, for one, > and > > > one > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > only; the massive human rights violations of Saddam, > > > Uday, > > > > > Qusay > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > their henchmen. Just as bad as Pol Pot's Khmer > Rouge. > > > As > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > world's only remaining superpower it is OUR > > > responsibility > > > > > to > > > > > > > stop > > > > > > > > > human genocide on the planet. That is inherently a > very > > > > > > > > libertarian > > > > > > > > > position, and it's amazing many libertarians have > chosen > > > to > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > themselves on the side of totalitarian dictators > instead > > > of > > > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > side of liberation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" > > > > > > > > > <uncoolrabbit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing Paul said below contradicts that Iraqi's > > > > > statement. > > > > > > > > None > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > sadams chemical weapons were found, that includes > any > > > that > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > to Syria. It is no secret that Iraq had chemical > and > > > > > > > biological > > > > > > > > > > weapons. The real crime of the administration is > > > falsely > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > people to believe IRaq was actively developing new > > > > > wweapons, > > > > > > > > > > including nuclear ambitions, which was not the > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, what does the statement have to do with > calling > > > Paul a > > > > > > > liar? > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > Iraqi does not know where they went, only > supporting > > > Paul > > > > > in > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > claim that no WMDs were found in Iraq. It IS a > fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aside from the specifics of Pauls statements > validity, > > > > > what > > > > > > > else > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > you trying to get at? That the administration is > > > justified > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > invading Iraq over a past and now dead chemical > and > > > > > biological > > > > > > > > > > weapons program, and that traces off that prgram, > > > > > including > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > undestroyed products of that program, products the > US > > > has > > > > > > > aswell > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > has been slowly destroying for years, are all the > > > > > > > justification > > > > > > > > > > needed, while that same administration tolerated a > > > real > > > > > > > program > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > develop nuclear weapons in North Korea? This war > had > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > with Iraq's arsenal, get over it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero > > > > > Rittberg" > > > > > > > > > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And so Paul, you are claiming then that you know > > > more > > > > > about > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > actually happened to the WMDs than the 2nd in > > > Command of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Iraqi > > > > > > > > > > > Air Force who a few weeks ago, in an interview, > > > stated > > > > > > > > > > categorically > > > > > > > > > > > that "we shuffled them all off to Syria two > months > > > > > before > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > invasion..."? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you calling the guy a liar Paul? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" > > > <ptireland@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't find anything ridiculous about the > > > > > indisputable > > > > > > > FACT > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > there were no WMD's found. Not even non-WMDs > like > > > > > mustard > > > > > > > > gas > > > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > > found. Only the components that could be used > to > > > make > > > > > > > > mustard > > > > > > > > > > gas > > > > > > > > > > > > were found. So once again, NO WMDs WERE > FOUND. > > > > > That's > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > attack > > > > > > > > > > > > on the President. IT IS A FACT and those who > > > claim > > > > > > > > otherwise > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > woefully misinformed or completely dishonest > and > > > most > > > > > > > likely > > > > > > > > > Bush > > > > > > > > > > > > apologists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Geof > Gibson" > > > > > > > > > <geofgibson@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Terry L > > > Parker" > > > > > > > > > > <txliberty@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geof, attack message, NOT messengers, in > THIS > > > > > forum! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Terry Liberty Parker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Owner/moderator, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry. I try my best to attack > ridiculous > > > > > arguments > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will re-double my efforts to remain > impersonal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
