Actually the protestors are flying both flags from their nation of origin and flags from their new nation. It's no more anti-American than flying an Irish flag on St. Patrick's Day.
--- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My great grandfathers both signed a piece of paper renouncing there > past kings and states and to be loyal only to the United States of > America. Watch any of the current protests and you will see Mexican > and many other latin American flags. I am pro imigration, but not > pro ilegal imigration. I am all for reforming the imigration system > to fix its problems, and retroactive enforcement would be obserd, > but the problems are real and should be adressed. There is alot of > pure retoric going around on both sides, and I find it very anoying > myself. > > --- In [email protected], "David Macko" <dmacko@> wrote: > > > > I agree with you that it was despicable to talk Dr. Hospers into > > supporting Bush for reelection and the lie-based, unconstitutional, > > unnecessary, counterproductive war on Iraq but the article > > about immigration was written in 2002 and shows a brilliant, > > rational mind. Read it thoroughly and see for yourself. > > As to the difference in the current invasion and my grandparents > > who came here in the 1890s, they didn't want to annex America > > to Russia or Austria-Hungary. They didn't want to force their > language > > and culture on anyone. They didn't want to become welfare parasites > > or criminals. They did vote for Franklin Delano Roosevelt, but > > otherwise they were good Americans. > > > > For life and liberty, > > David Macko > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul" <ptireland@> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:38 PM > > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Immigration > > > > > > > John Hospers is being anything but rational and anything but > > > libertarian. > > > > > > He suggested people vote for bush, he supports the war in Iraq, > and > > > now once again, his stanse is on the opposite side of an issue > from > > > from what is consistent libertarianism. John Hospers doesn't > make > > > libertarian arguments. > > > > > > Perhaps he once did, but his senile, foolish, and extremely > > > unlibertarian actions have robbed him of having even the > slightest bit > > > of credibility. > > > > > > LIBERTARIANS SUPPORT OPEN BORDERS. > > > > > > We should be offering our support and doing it vocally. I fully > > > intend to do this in my campaign, especially since my district > is 47% > > > Hispanic. > > > > > > This is most certainly not an "invasion" anymore than the 1.5 > million > > > Irish (A higher percentage of the total population at the time > than > > > Mexicans now) were an invasion, or the Italians, or the Polish, > or the > > > Germans, or the Dutch, or the Chinese, etc. All of them were > called > > > "invaders" by people being paranoid who feared competition back > then, just > > > as the Mexicans are being called now. > > > > > > The Mexican illegal aliens are absolutely no different than the > > > European immigrants who came here during the Industrial > Revolution. > > > The only difference is the unconstitutional immigration laws we > have now. > > > > > > When most of our ancestors immigrated here, they merely had to > get on > > > a boat, show up, and sign their names on a piece of paper. This > is > > > all that the Mexican immigrants should have to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "David Macko" <dmacko@> > wrote: > > >> > > >> Since last week's demonstrations my last doubts that > > >> there is no immigration problem have ended. This is an > > >> invasion problem. I strongly object to having the Libertarian > > >> Party commit suicide by following your suggestion. > > >> Steve, ideals are important and we all need them but until the > > >> damages caused by ninety years of "our" government's treasonous > foreign > > >> policy > > >> and a welfare state which attracts parasites are corrected, > > >> which might be done in sixty or seventy more years if we start > > >> tomorrow morning. > > >> In the meantime, here is a rational proposal from our first > > >> presidential candidate, John Hospers, A Libertarian Argument > > >> Against Open Borders: > > >> http://www.mises.org/journals/jls/13_2/13_2_3.pdf > > >> It has three positive arguments in its favor. > > >> It does not involve the suicide of the Libertarian Party, > > >> the United States or our liberty. > > >> > > >> For life and liberty, > > >> David Macko > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "steven linnabary" <linnabary51@> > > >> To: <[email protected]> > > >> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 7:20 PM > > >> Subject: [Libertarian] Immigration > > >> > > >> > > >> >I am a bit disgusted with the LP's lack of involvement with the > > > recent pro > > >> > immigration demonstrations. I'm definitely not pointing > fingers, > > > because > > >> > I > > >> > am as to blame as anyone as I've done absolutely nothing. > > >> > > > >> > But immigration is an issue that COULD propel the LP because > > > neither of > > >> > the > > >> > other parties favors open immigration. > > >> > > > >> > To my defense, and probably of others, I didn't even know > they were > > >> > happening until after they were over. That really isn't an > excuse, > > >> > because > > >> > we should be LEADING on this issue. > > >> > > > >> > I guess I'm asking if anyone here is aware of when the next > > > demonstration > > >> > will take place? Does anyone know where to contact any > leadership? > > >> > > > >> > PEACE > > >> > Steven R. Linnabary, Treasurer > > >> > Franklin County Libertarian Party > > >> > (614) 891-8841 > > >> > P.O.Box#115; Blacklick, OH 43004-0115 > > >> > > > >> > "When you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make > violent > > > revolution > > >> > inevitable" John F. 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