Then I guess I would classify as an libertarian anarcho-capitalist. BWS
----- Original Message ----- From: terry12622000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:07 pm Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Propaganda from Ron Paul by Mark Stevens > Very good points, plus the federal government has no > constitutional > authority over immigration so the undoucumented immigrants can not > be > violated federal law, Congress is the law breaker that is those > Congress people who voyted for these illegal immigration laws in > the > past.--- In [email protected], "Victor Bozzo" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > An excellent piece by Mark Stevens showing where the true > problem > is regarding illegal immigration. > > > > The State caused this problem and continue to make it worse by > being involved in it. > > > > Well done Mr. Stevens! > > > > Vic > > > > "Anarcho-capitalism is a view that regards all forms of the > state > as unnecessary and harmful, particularly in matters of justice and > self-defense, while being highly supportive of private property. > It > synthesizes certain ideas from the tradition of classical > liberalism > (see libertarianism) and arguably from individualist anarchism as > well. It opposes "traditional" anarchism on the issue of private > property; while anarchists such as libertarian socialists and > individualist anarchists reject all property beyond personal > possessions as a form of authority, anarcho-capitalism embraces > the > established forms of property as an element of liberty."--Anarcho- > capitalism: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. > > > > > > > > Propaganda From Dr. Ron Paul > > > > by Marc Stevens > > > > > > > > I tend to agree with most of what Dr. Paul writes. > However, > his article posted on lewrockwell.com last week ("The Immigration > Question") was so inconsistent with libertarian principles I had > to > publicly respond. > > > > First, so I don't repeat myself too much, I wrote an > article > explaining there is no such thing as an "illegal alien" > because "citizens" and "nations" do not exist. Having seen Dr. > Paul > speak at the 2003 Freedom Summit in Phoenix, I know Dr. Paul, > while > he may not be familiar with my work, is familiar with Lysander > Spooner's writing. > > > > Dr. Paul's article is so supportive of statist propaganda > it's hard to believe it was posted on a website claiming to be > "anti- > state, anti-war, pro-market." In fact, it's not just supportive, > it > is statist propaganda. > > > > Dr. Paul wrote: "Amnesty also insults legal immigrants, > who > face years of paperwork and long waits to earn precious American > citizenship." > > > > Dr. Paul should know there is no such thing as > "citizenship." > The idea of "citizenship" is a form of mind control. So- > called "citizenship" is statist-speak for a "relationship" that > doesn't exist viz., a "citizen" is supposed to be a member of the > body politic owing a duty of allegiance in return for a duty of > protection. Dr. Paul appears to agree with this in his article: > "True > citizenship requires cultural connections and an allegiance to the > United States." (emphasis mine) > > > > Government, including Dr. Paul, has no duty to protect > anyone > (Bowers v. Devito, 686 F.2d 616). This is only one way to prove > this. > I use this because it's straight from a politician's mouth. > Therefore, because there's no duty to protect, there is no duty of > allegiance. Without these "duties," there are no "citizens." > Because > there are no "citizens," there is no "nation" and of course, > no "illegal aliens." > > > > Now I want to examine pure statism, and keep in mind this > is > posted on a website claiming to be "anti-state, anti-war, pro- > market." Dr. Paul's article ends with: > > > > "We need to allocate far more resources, both in terms of > money and manpower, to securing our borders and coastlines here at > home. This is the most critical task before us, both in terms of > immigration problems and the threat of foreign terrorists. Unless > and > until we secure our borders, illegal immigration and the problems > associated with it will only increase." > > > > Unless I'm mistaken, Dr. Paul is advocating the initiation > of > physical force, i.e., taxation. Dr. Paul appears to be advocating > taking people's property by force; that it's OK to threaten to > kill > and imprison people in order to pay for a service that never has > to > be provided. Such thinking contradicts libertarian principles and > why > someone is "anti-state, anti-war, pro-market." It's anti-social > because it exhibits a clear disregard for the rights of others. > And > just so I am not taken out of context, when I refer to "others," I > am > referring to the so-called "citizens" who are violently forced to > provide the "resources" Dr. Paul believes are desperately needed > for "securing our borders." > > > > Dr. Paul is wrong; our most critical task is to stop > legitimizing gangs of killers, thieves and liars, i.e., > government. > Remember what Ronald Reagan said: "Government is not the solution > to > our problem, government is the problem." (He's right, but no, I > don't > believe he believed it.) > > > > Why do people come to this part of North America commonly > called the "United States"? They are fleeing vicious gangs called > government. People from Mexico come here because their > opportunities > to create wealth are violently restrained because of governments' > continued insistence "to allocate far more resources" from the > people > they control, plunder and murder. They believe their ability to > create wealth is less hindered here. > > > > De-legitimizing government is much easier when government > works so hard with us to do so. However, Dr. Paul's article is the > opposite, it's nothing more than pro-government propaganda; it > diverts attention away from the problem, i.e., a gang of killers, > thieves and liars controlling us and stealing our property. > > > > Instead of addressing the problem, Dr. Paul advocates its > continuance: "We need to allocate far more resources, both in > terms > of money and manpower . . . ." Why is a pro-state, pro-taxation, > anti- > market article posted on an "anti-state, anti-war, pro-market" > website? > > > > "The only idea they have ever manifested as to what is a > government of consent, is this-that it is one to which everybody > must > consent, or be shot." ~ No Treason: The Constitution of No > Authority, > Lysander Spooner. > > > > The ideology or theology allowing these gangs of anti- > social > parasites (government) to get away with what they are doing is > really > the problem. Dr. Paul's article is based on this sick theology. > Without this theology, governments would be seen for what they > are: > killers, thieves and liars. > > > > > > April 10, 2006 > > > > > > discuss this column in the forum > > > > Marc Stevens is the author of Adventures In Legal Land, > the > controversial and humorous new book that exposes the government > hoax. Order your copy today at www.adventuresinlegalland.com. > > > > Marc Stevens Archive > > > > > > > > > > > > Reprint Rights > > > > back to Strike The Root > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
