Uncool, you wrote:
---------------- When did I ever say anything about supporting "current govt policies" Mark!?!?!?!!? ---------------- Right here, you twice supported the current govt policy of coercion: ---------------- I want to force others to not force things on others I believe there is a role for limited goverment, and part of it should be using the credible initiation of force to prevent the initiation of force ---------------- It doesn't get much clearer than that (especially with your typical writing style). ---------------- Why are you putting words in my mouth ---------------- I don't believe I mischaracterized your words (even considering my handicap with comprehending your usual writing). --------------- while insulting me by implying that my opinion is invalid because I lack sufficient knowledge to understand Terry's or your pristine points of view? --------------- Diverging with your opinion and suggesting it lacks sufficient information/basis is NOT an insult to your person. (But for you to claim it is might be.) If it was, everyone who ever disagreed with another would be guilty. --------------- Im not gona bother debating wether one broken inefective system is better than anouther broken and inefective system, and I ask you to not imply that I would in the future. --------------- Ask away if you must, but I'm afraid I'll proceed to imply away as I like - so long as it's no more off-topic than that which has upset you so badly. -Mark --- In [email protected], "mark robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Uncool, > > > > What is more likely is your lack of full knowledge on how and why > Unlimited Libertarianism and the NAP, combined with free-market > capitalism, are much better for the environment than current govt > policies (aggression/coercion). > > > > (If I have mistranslated your post, let me remind you of my > handicap when it comes to reading your writing.) > > > > Your claim (that force is needed to control force) sounds > oxymoronic because it is; actually it is doubly oxymoronic, > because you also claim that unlimited libertarianism uses force > to promote its anti-force ideology. Don't indict libertarianism > because it fails to resolve all disputes over who initiated what > force; it never claimed to resolve all conflict - only to resolve > it BETTER. > > > > -mark > > > > > > ************ > {American jurors have complete Constitutional authority to vote > "not guilty" based on nothing more than a disagreement with the > case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's instructions. > There is absolutely no obligation to vote "guilty" to arrive at a > unanimous verdict. Get on a jury, stand your ground, and fulfill > its other main purpose: to counteract abusive government and > unjust lawsuits. > See www.fija.org > [Please adopt this as your own signature.] } > > > > > _____ > > > > I want to force others to not force things on others Terry. I > have > the belief, perhaps deranged who knows, that we are not Angels, > and > I believe you know the Madison quote. > > I believe there is a role for limited goverment, and part of it > should be using the credible initiation of force to prevent the > initiation of force, as oxymoronic as that must sound. Further > more > I believe that there are many real issues, such as enviromental > protection vs anarcho-captilism that are a real conflicting issue > in > the NAP/ZAP world of theory as both sides can argue it is the > other > initiating force against them. These cases mean that, for a true > philosophical triumph the philosophy needs to be rethought. > > --- In [email protected], "Terry L Parker" > <txliberty@> > wrote: > > > > Uncoolrabbit, hate's got nothing to do with it! > > > > You seem to be confusing the advocacy of ideals vs advocacy of > > various implementation approaches. > > > > But, I will ask you: what initiation, or credible threat of > > initiation, of physical force against an innocent person or > their > > justly held possession, do YOU want to advocate? > > > > > > -Terry Liberty Parker > > > > _____ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian SPONSORED LINKS Libertarian <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Libertarian&w1=Libertarian&w 2=English+language&w3=Political+parties&w4=Online+dictionary&w5=A merican+politics&c=5&s=108&.sig=jGQnaRhfv4RQgZXyK4kr1w> English <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=English+language&w1=Libertar ian&w2=English+language&w3=Political+parties&w4=Online+dictionary &w5=American+politics&c=5&s=108&.sig=QWSjIRDd7cCvA3JjWf5fnQ> language Political <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Political+parties&w1=Liberta rian&w2=English+language&w3=Political+parties&w4=Online+dictionar y&w5=American+politics&c=5&s=108&.sig=Nmlb2J_kcrDDcS9fz-a4eg> parties Online <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Online+dictionary&w1=Liberta rian&w2=English+language&w3=Political+parties&w4=Online+dictionar y&w5=American+politics&c=5&s=108&.sig=tfMLc2NuNqcAdgFcVdgR3Q> dictionary American <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=American+politics&w1=Liberta rian&w2=English+language&w3=Political+parties&w4=Online+dictionar y&w5=American+politics&c=5&s=108&.sig=Q4Bxp3h_3TNlBQAgwWP-kw> politics _____ YAHOO! 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