and post-modernist movement prevalent in the academic community.
There was an author who wrote a book about 3 years ago claiming
Lincoln was a homosexual. His claim was based solely on lincoln's
letters to and from friends. Yet, as he was not a trained historian,
he failed to recognize Lincoln's use of verbage as the common use of
verbage. Thus, words that may appear to have one meaning render a
completely different meaning when placed within their historical
context.
--- In [email protected], <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Then there is a drift in meaning of some of the phases used in
this. It would never have occurred to me that Persons meant slaves.
And I am sure the same could be said about a lot of people.
>
> I am even less sure with the way words have shifted meaning that
the constitution is relevant today. This interpretation renders that
whole paragraph meaningless as there is no slavery allowed in the U.
S. anymore. It happened by default and not by amendment.
Interesting. And rather disturbing on some level.
>
> BWS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Monday, May 1, 2006 6:38 pm
> Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Latino protesters made a huge public
relations mistake
>
> > Nice try. Naturalization is not immigration.
> >
> > Let's look at Article 1, section 9 which you attempted to use out
of
> > context...
> >
> > The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states
now
> > existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by
the
> > Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight,
> > but a
> > tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten
> > dollars for each person.
> >
> > This says the federal government can't prevent the states from
> > permitting any immigrants to they choose before 1808 but the fed
can
> > charge a DUTY of up to $10 per person. The word DUTY refers to
> > imports. In otherwords...SLAVES. If you're importing slaves,
> > Congress can charge up to $10 per head as a duty. Since slavery
has
> > since been outlawed, this clause is useless. It does not grant
the
> > federal government any authority over immigration.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected], <boyd.w.smith@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Article I sections 8 and 9. 8 gives congress the duty to
establish
> > uniform Rule of Naturalization. Section 9 says that after 1808
> > congress can make laws on migration and importation of persons.
> > >
> > > BWS
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: terry12622000 <cottondrop@>
> > > Date: Monday, May 1, 2006 2:52 pm
> > > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: Latino protesters made a huge public
> > relations mistake
> > >
> > > > How are they illegal? Yes those that tresspass on private
> > property
> > > > and mess it up around the border are illegal and property
> > owners
> > > > have
> > > > a right to protect their property and persons and they have a
> > > > right
> > > > to join with their neighbors in protecting their property and
> > > > person,
> > > > plus request the Sheriff and local police department help.
> > That
> > > > being
> > > > said if they are not violating anyone's rights or attempting
> > to
> > > > then
> > > > how are they illegal. The constitution also does not give
> > > > authority
> > > > over immigration to the federal government, yeas if a state,
> > > > county
> > > > and locals request help in defending the borders the federal
> > > > government can help but it would be very unwise now to
> > encourage
> > > > the
> > > > federal government to come and park their employees( either
> > border
> > > > guards or a standing army) in the local area messing in
things
> > > > that
> > > > aint none of their business. I'm very disipointed at some of
> > my
> > > > fellow libertarians and some conservatives who should know
> > better
> > > > than to tempt the Central government with the request of help
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > grant of more power especially when it clearly is not needed.
> > Its
> > > > Congress breaking the law get that straight by passing
> > immigration
> > > > laws when they have no constitutional authority to do so,
they
> > are
> > > > going against their oath of office which is illegal. Some
> > states
> > > > may
> > > > have the constitutional authority over immigration if the
> > state
> > > > constitution says so.--- In [email protected], John
> > > > Perna
> > > > <savefreedom2005@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Latino protesters made a huge public relations mistake
> > > > >
> > > > > A small thought: "Do unto others as you would have them
do
> > > > unto
> > > > you."
> > > > > Who ever boycotts TODAY, WILL BE BOYCOTTED FOREVER.
> > > > > May first is a communist holiday.
> > > > > We are now seeing imported CLASS STRUGGLE.
> > > > >
> > > > > THE SOURCE OF THIS ARTICLE, Original URL, and AUTHOR
> > > > > CAN BE FOUND AT:
> > > > >
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreedomOfSpeechNow/message/73
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > THE CENSORED URL IS EMBEDDED THERE
> > > > > The message is being censored by the CAPCHA CENSORSHIP
> > PROGRAM.> > > I don't know how everybody else feels about it,
> > but to me I
> > > > think Hispanic people in this country, legally or illegally,
> > made
> > > > a
> > > > huge public relations mistake with their recent
demonstrations.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't blame anybody in the world for wanting to come
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > United States of America, as it is a truly wonderful place.
> > But
> > > > when
> > > > the first thing you do when you set foot on American soil is
> > > > illegal
> > > > it is flat out wrong and I don't care how many lala land left
> > > > heads
> > > > come out of the woodwork and start trying to give me
> > sensitivity
> > > > lessons.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't need sensitivity lessons, in fact I don't have
> > > > anything
> > > > against Mexicans! I just have something against criminals
and
> > > > anybody who comes into this country illegally is a criminal
> > and if
> > > > you don't believe it try coming into America from a foreign
> > > > country
> > > > without a passport and see how far you get. What disturbs me
> > > > about
> > > > the demonstrations is that it's tantamount to saying, "I am
> > going
> > > > to
> > > > come into your country even if it means breaking your laws
and
> > > > there's nothing you can do about it."
> > > > >
> > > > > It's an "in your face" action and speaking just for me I
> > > > don't
> > > > like it one little bit and if there were a half dozen pairs
of
> > > > gonads
> > > > in Washington bigger than English peas it wouldn't be
happening.
> > > > >
> > > > > Where are you, you bunch of lilly-livered, pantywaist,
> > > > forked
> > > > tongued, sorry excuses for defenders of The Constitution?
Have
> > you
> > > > been drinking the water out of the Potomac again?
> > > > >
> > > > > And even if you pass a bill on immigration it will
> > probably
> > > > be
> > > > so pork laden and watered down that it won't mean anything
> > anyway.
> > > > Besides, what good is an other law going to do when you won't
> > > > enforce
> > > > the ones on the books now?
> > > > >
> > > > > And what ever happened to the polls guys? I thought you
> > folks
> > > > were the quintessential finger wetters. Well you sure ain't
> > paying
> > > > any attention to the polls this time because somewhere around
> > > > eighty
> > > > percent of Americans want something done about this mess, and
> > mess
> > > > it
> > > > is and getting bigger everyday.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is no longer a problem, it is a dilemma and headed
> > for
> > > > being a tragedy. Do you honestly think that what happened in
> > > > France
> > > > with the Muslims can't happen here when the businesses who
> > hire
> > > > these
> > > > people finally run out of jobs and a few million
disillusioned
> > > > Hispanics take to the streets?
> > > > >
> > > > > If you, Mr. President, Congressmen and Senators,
knuckle
> > > > under
> > > > on this and refuse to do something meaningful it means that
> > you
> > > > care
> > > > nothing for the kind of country your children and
> > grandchildren
> > > > will
> > > > inherit.
> > > > >
> > > > > But I guess that doesn't matter as long as you get re-
> > > > elected.
> > > > Shame on you. One of the big problems in America today is
that
> > if
> > > > you
> > > > have the nerve to say anything derogatory about any group of
> > > > people
> > > > (except Christians) you are going to be screamed at by the
> > media
> > > > and
> > > > called a racist, a bigot and anything else they can think of
> > to
> > > > call
> > > > you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well I've been pounded by the media before and I'm
still
> > > > rockin' and rollin' and when it comes to speaking the truth I
> > fear
> > > > not. And the truth is that the gutless, gonadless, milksop
> > > > politicians are just about to sell out the United States of
> > > > America
> > > > because they don't have the intestinal fortitude to stand up
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > face reality.
> > > > >
> > > > > And reality is that we would never allow any other group
> > of
> > > > people to have 12 million illegals in this country and turn
> > around
> > > > and say, "Oh it's ok, ya'll can stay here if you'll just
allow
> > us
> > > > to
> > > > slap your wrist."
> > > > >
> > > > > And I know that some of you who read this column are
> > > > saying "Well what's wrong with that?"
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll tell you what's wrong with it. These people could
> > be
> > > > from
> > > > Mars as far as we know. We don't know who they are, where
they
> > are
> > > > or
> > > > what they're up to and the way the Congress is going we're
not
> > > > going
> > > > to.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does this make sense? Labor force you say? We already
> > > > subsidize
> > > > corporate agriculture as it is, must we subsidize their labor
> > as well?
> > > > >
> > > > > If these people were from Haiti would we be so fast to
> > turn a
> > > > blind eye to them or if they were from Somalia or
Afghanistan?
> > I
> > > > think not.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > All the media shows us are pictures of hard working
> > Hispanics
> > > > who have crossed the border just to try to better their life.
> > They
> > > > don't show you pictures of the Feds rounding up members of MS
> > 13,
> > > > the
> > > > violent gang who came across the same way the decent folks
> > did.
> > > > They
> > > > don't tell you about the living conditions of the Mexican
> > illegals
> > > > some fat cat hired to pick his crop.
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to make two predictions.
> > > > >
> > > > > No. 1: This situation is going to grow and fester until
> > it
> > > > erupts in violence on our streets while the wimps in
> > Washington
> > > > drag
> > > > their toes in the dirt and try to figure how many tons of
> > > > political
> > > > hay they can make to the acre.
> > > > >
> > > > > No 2: Somebody is going to cross that border with some
> > kind
> > > > of
> > > > weapon of mass destruction and set it off in a major American
> > city
> > > > after which there will be a backlash such as this country has
> > > > never
> > > > experienced and the Capitol building in Washington will
> > probably
> > > > tilt
> > > > as Congressmen and Senators rush to the other side of the
issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know about you but I would love to see just one
> > > > major
> > > > politician stand up and say, "I don't care who I make mad
and
> > I
> > > > don't care how many votes I lose, this is a desperate
> > situation
> > > > and
> > > > I'm going to lead the fight to get it straightened out"
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't blame anybody for wanting to come to America,
> > but if
> > > > you don't respect our immigration laws why should you respect
> > any
> > > > others. And by the way, this is America and our flag has
> > stars
> > > > and
> > > > stripes. Please get that other one out of my face.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pray for our troops
> > > > >
> > > > > God Bless America
> > > > >
> > > > > April 10, 2006
> > > > >
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