I would except i am a bit behind on my email reading AGAIN (hangs head in shame). Don't ask how many, when it gets below 1000 I might start saying, but until then I will muddle along as good as I can.
BWS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric S. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:54 am Subject: Re: [Libertarian] The Oath > I'm glad to hear that. > > If you or anyone else is interested in joining the LOP-General YG, > and > -- more important -- join the Libertarians for an Open Party to > work > towards creating an effective political party for libertarians and > others to use to reduce government, take a trip to > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LOP-General>. > > There's plenty to be done. -Eric > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >More ands more I am becoming convinced that the oath is a bad > requirement. It is at the same time overly constricting and > ambiguous. A very bad combination. Those that have the > inclination should be allowed to work towards liberty with out > feeling that their efforts are unappreciated. > > > >BWS > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Eric S. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Date: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:40 am > >Subject: Re: [Libertarian] The Oath > > > > > > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I went back and reread the Ray Roberts article that was linked > >>> > >>> > >>in the > >> > >> > >>>email. His better pledge is also ambiguous. Who can use force > >>> > >>> > >>and who > >> > >> > >>>decides when their life, liberty or property are being > attacked? > >>> > >>> > >>And > >> > >> > >>>yes upon analysis the current pledge is also ambiguous. But > such > >>>pledges should be general in nature wrt principles and specific > >>> > >>> > >>wrt > >> > >> > >>>actions. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>So, what does the Libertarian Party do about the practical > problem > >>that it has a membership requirement which is silly -- the LP > >>requires signing something whose meaning is not obvious and the > >>same to everyone -- rewrite it in plainer language, provide an > >>explanation (from the convention or the LNC) of what it actually > >>means? > >>If you do chose the explanation route, do you provide that > >>explanation along with the signature requirement, or spring the > >>actual meaning on them after they've signed? Before makes for a > >>crowded form, after sounds like "bait and switch", only worse. > >> > >>If you're going to include the explanation on the form, it had > >>best be short. If it's short, why not include the explanation > as > >>part of the requirement? > >> > >>This whole series of practical questions avoids the one question > >>which no one has been able to answer to my satisfaction -- > though > >>they are generally able to answer it to their own, and think > that > >>should be enough to satisfy me -- why have this oath or any oath > >>at all? > >> > >>That's a rhetorical question, and has already been asked and > >>answered. At length. We've already gotten a huge collection of > >>incompatible answers, so I'll spare you my latest and perhaps > >>snarkiest. (E-mail me if you simply must know. Garrison > Keillor > >>might find it amusing. Or not.) > >> > >>Bottom line: what do you think the LP ought to do about this > >>defective requirement? What do you think the LP will do about > it? > >> -Eric > >> > >>-- > >>Eric S. Harris > >> > >>If this address ever fails, try visiting http://www.returnpath.net > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ------------------ > -- > >>~--> > >>See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. > >>http://us.click.yahoo.com/XmUd6C/bOaOAA/cUmLAA/KlSolB/TM > >>----------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > >>-~-> > >> > >>ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > >>Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Eric S. Harris > > If this address ever fails, try visiting http://www.returnpath.net > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Take a stand. Make a choice. Join the Citizen Philanthropists at > DonorsChoose!http://us.click.yahoo.com/qGwc0C/pPaOAA/cUmLAA/KlSolB/TM > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -~-> > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/yHUd1C/hOaOAA/cUmLAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
