Can I please get a response?
--- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The reality of getting Zarqawi is that some one else will take his > place, getting Zarqawi who was online in Iraq because we were going > to war with Iraq does not constitute saving American lives, it does > not end Al Qaida in Iraq's operations and it does not make up for > the many many American and Iraqi lives wasted, and not just those > who are dead are wasted Eric. An entire generation of young people > are losing their childhood. > > This is NOT the greatest military conflict in US history Eric. This > is like the Finish Winter War not the Great war. This is over > powering force used to return only minimal gain. > > The revolutionary war is the greater victory in so many ways I won't > begin to numerate them for you Eric. > > More were killed in Normandy, but what for is the question Eric, is > Iraq as worthy a cause as Normandy? If you believe it is, explain > why Eric, drop the retoric and level with me on why you feel so > strongly about Iraq. I have never got something from you creddible, > you talk about human rights under Saddam, but Darfur is open > genocide wich was not the case in Iraq when we invaded, and we have > not make any unilateral declarations of war on Khartum, and likely > will not. You claimed in the past WMDs, and pointed to old chemical > weapons depos in Iraq yet Korea Pakistan India Israel all have > active nuclear programs while Iraq did not. > > WHY was this worth the life of my 18 year old cousin John, why Eric? > > Don't try to tell me about terror as a motivation either, I work in > that department and already know it has nothing to do with it, > infact the reverse is true, we drew terror to Iraq. > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > "Bogged down in Iraq..." > > > > Did you miss the news from last week. > > > > WE GOT ZARCARWI!! > > > > What could be a greater victory than that? > > > > And previously we got Saddam and his two jerkoff sons. This is > > perhaps the greatest and most victorious Military Conflict for the > > United States in History. > > > > Only 2,500 dead? My God, more were killed on the fields of > Antietam > > in one single day and on the shores of Normandy in a couple hours. > > > > You're a victim of Leftist Media Spin. Wonder how the Media would > > have spinned Normandy back in 1944 or Iwo Jima with the tens of > > thousands of Americans who lost their lives if they had had their > > drive-by Media cameras on the beaches with the troops? > > > > And btw, if this had "all been planned prior to 9/11 by the Bush > > Administration..." then why is it that Bush was being so severely > > slammed in 1999 and 2000 for not caring about foreign policy? > > Remember that? Remember the scoop on Bush prior to 9/11 that he > was > > solely a Domestic President (candidate), who cared little about > > foreign affairs. > > > > Face it, 9/11 changed everything, George W. Bush, myself and many > > other Americans who had previously been pretty non- interventionist. > > > > Bottom line; You attack my country, we will strike you 10 times > > harder and kill your friends and allies, as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" > > <uncoolrabbit@> wrote: > > > > > > The unfortunate reality of reality is that it is clear cut nor is > > it > > > black and white. > > > > > > As per former secretary of treasury Paul O'Niel the decision to > go > > > to war was made while George Bush was President Elect, before he > > > took office. The basis, from Mr. O'Niel's observation was the > idea > > > developed by Rice, Cheney, Rumsfield and Bush that "rouge > nations" > > > were the greatest threat to US supremecy over the world. The > > aleged > > > idea was that overwhleming force used against a "rouge nation" > > would > > > serve to discourage the 'rouge nations' 'rouge' behavior. > > > > > > The decision to target Iraq over other options was made with out > > > O'Niel's involvment so he could not comment on that rational, but > > > the decision was made. Reasons to justify it were then sought out > > by > > > the adminstration, CIA cheif Tenent was the main party > responsible > > > for finding cause to wage the war that Bush and his closest > > advisors > > > had already set there mind on having. > > > > > > > > > One of the largest problems I have with this assesment is > > > Afghanistan, if the goal had been to set an example then > > Afghanistan > > > should have been sufficient. The agenda was not to set an > example, > > > the agenda was to invade Iraq. The most absurd reality, is that > > the > > > result was the exact oposite of the aleged desired effect. With > > the > > > armed forces bogged down in Iraq, and the US Army proportedly > > broken > > > those 'rouge nations' have become more emboldened. Iran stepped > up > > > its enrichment program and is unshakably defiant, North Korea had > > > its flare up of defiance, China has become more assertive in its > > > claim of dominion over Taiwan. Mr. O'Niel often pondered the fact > > > that the discussion was always how will we go to war with Iraq > and > > > never why. > > > > > > Regaurdless of wether the agenda was deterance or not, what is > > clear > > > is that it was not clear and presetn danger, nor eminant threat > > that > > > promted the war in Iraq. I could go on and on about my own > > Senetor, > > > Carl Levon the senior member of the Armed Forces Comitte in the > > > Senate how ever I thought the thoughts of a former high level > Bush > > > aid and long time Republican would be of more value. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], <boyd.w.smith@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rep. Paul has made a logical and thoughtful argument against > > what > > > he believes to be an initiation of aggression in Iraq. His > stance > > > is principled. The only question to me is whether or not the > > > conflict in Iraq is a case of legitimate reaction to a credible > > > threat of aggression or not. No one has been able to make a > clear > > > cut case in either direction. > > > > > > > > BWS > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Eric Dondero Rittberg <ericdondero@> > > > > Date: Saturday, June 17, 2006 1:22 pm > > > > Subject: [Libertarian] Ron Paul ex-aide's panties in a wad over > > > war! > > > > > > > > > ********************************************* > > > > > Libertarian Republican Political Report > > > > > by Eric Dondero > > > > > 06-17-06 > > > > > ******************************************** > > > > > > > > > > Editor's Note - Thanks to Aaron Bitterman for sending this > > along > > > > > to > > > > > us. (I've been in Montana working for the Property Rights > > > > > Initiative, and have not had access to the Houston media). > > > > > > > > > > It saddens me greatly to see Ron Paul taking the position he > > is > > > > > taking on the War in Iraq. As many of you know I served as > > Ron's > > > > > Travel Aide in his 1988 Libertarian Presidential Campaign. I > > > then > > > > > went on to serve as his Campaign Coordinator in his 1996 > > > > > Congressional run, and Senior Aide in his Congressional > office > > > > > from 1997 - 2003. I resigned from Ron's employ in 2003, > mostly > > > due to > > > > > our severe differences on foreign policy. But since then, > I've > > > > > still > > > > > respected his views on such matters. > > > > > > > > > > However, the other day, driving through Western Montana I > > caught > > > a > > > > > CBS News Report. Bob Schieffer led into the report with > > > something > > > > > to the effect; "but not all Republicans agree that the War in > > > Iraq > > > > > was a good idea..." What followed were virulent Anti-War > > > comments > > > > > by Ron Paul on the House Floor. > > > > > > > > > > It's one thing to be an Anti-War Libertarian. It's quite > > another > > > > > to > > > > > be used by the Leftist Media as a stooge against Pro- Freedom > > > > > values. The authoritarian Left is the enemy of freedom. It is > > > > > quite sad indeed that Ron Paul fails to see that. He is > > letting > > > > > himself be used by the enemy - CBS, CNN, the Houston > > Chronicle, > > > et.al. > > > > > > > > > > I believe it's time to declare Jeff Flake (or Dana > > Rohrabacher) > > > as > > > > > the new Champion of Freedom and the libertarian Republican > > > movement. > > > > > > > > > > And maybe it's time that someone I regard as an advocate of > > real > > > > > libertarianism, who supports the War on Islamo-Fascism, runs > > > > > against Ron for the Congressional seat here in Texas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Eric Dondero Rittberg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > June 15, 2006 > > > > > > > > > > Saving the GOP from itself: Congressman fights to restore > > > party's > > > > > traditions > > > > > > > > > > By SAMANTHA LEVINE | HOUSTON CHRONICLE > > > > > > > > > > WASHINGTON - It's not that Rep. Ron Paul, one of only six > > > > > Republicans publicly > > > > > against the war in Iraq, is estranged from the party, he said > > > > > Thursday, it's > > > > > that the party is estranged from its ideals. > > > > > > > > > > "The Republican leadership is not in sync with Republican > > > > > traditions" that > > > > > have historically valued a non-interventionist foreign > policy, > > > > > said > > > > > Paul, the > > > > > Lake Jackson lawmaker who voted against the 2002 resolution > > > > > authorizing the use > > > > > of force in Iraq. > > > > > > > > > > Even Bush, Paul noted, had once been critical of former > > > President > > > > > Clinton's > > > > > involvement of U.S. troops in Kosovo and Somalia. > > > > > > > > > > "Now, I think Republicans have slipped and become more like > > > > > Democrats," Paul > > > > > said Thursday. "Not only have they drifted into a conflict > > > > > overseas, > > > > > but it was > > > > > a pre-emptive war." > > > > > > > > > > "I am doing my best," Paul added, "to save the Republicans > > from > > > > > themselves." > > > > > > > > > > The nine-term lawmaker is a Republican by registration and a > > > > > Libertarian by > > > > > philosophy. He is known for voting against most legislation > on > > > the > > > > > grounds that > > > > > it oversteps constitutional limits. > > > > > > > > > > His comments came as the House debated a GOP resolution that > > > > > linked > > > > > support > > > > > for the Iraq war with support for the global war on terror. > > > > > > > > > > Paul, who represented Galveston and a suburban/rural swath of > > > > > southeast Texas, > > > > > deemed the proceedings little more than a political sham > > > designed > > > > > to > > > > > bully > > > > > members of Congress into backing the war. > > > > > > > > > > The American people "will see through it as a resolution with > > no > > > > > substance," > > > > > he said. "It's pretty clear that the country is much more in > > my > > > > > camp > > > > > now. They > > > > > are not happy with Iraq." > > > > > > > > > > The resolution essentially advocates "endless war and endless > > > > > occupation," > > > > > Paul said. > > > > > > > > > > He tried unsucessfully to persuade GOP leaders to include in > > the > > > > > debate > > > > > consideration of a resolution that would pressure Bush to > > > develop > > > > > a > > > > > plan to > > > > > bring troops home. > > > > > > > > > > Paul has little hope that the United States will succeed in > > > spreading > > > > > democracy in Iraq as long as U.S. forces remain in the > > > struggling > > > > > nation. > > > > > > > > > > "Our presence there is one of the sources of the problem," he > > > said. > > > > > "Occupation rallies the (opposing) troops and undermines any > > > > > overtures towards > > > > > the West." > > > > > > > > > > Like the rest of the House, Paul is up for re-election this > > > fall. > > > > > He > > > > > faces > > > > > Democratic cattleman Shane Sklar of Edna, a former > > congressional > > > > > aide. > > > > > > > > > > Paul said his anti-war stance gets a good deal of support > from > > > > > Democrats and > > > > > Independents in his district, though some Republicans > question > > > his > > > > > loyalty to > > > > > the GOP. > > > > > > > > > > "I don't think about what's best for the Republican party," > > Paul > > > > > said. 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