Actually a minum basic income of 10,000 dollars a year for every adult below 150% of the poverty level would probably cost less that the present outlay of social security of around 500 billion a year thus actually making it a true antipoverty insurance program, thus social security could be endeed, welfare, food stamps, the minium wage, overtime regulations etc, combine that with turning over all government education money over direcly all parents who will accept it with no strings attached and this country would be much better off than it is now, average cost per student for government schools is 8,800 a year thus the average parent of 2 would get 17,600 dollars a year, less of course in Utah which I think has the lowest per student spending in the country but even 6,000 would give the family of 2 12,000 dollars or a poly family with 10 kids 60,000 a year.--- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually social security and medicare aren't a legal promise > according to the Supreme Court in the 1950s, they are government > social programs that Congess can cut at will and give to who they > want or not give such as a deported Communist or seniors with incomes > over 30,000 a year or real estate worth more than 200,000 dollars. > The Amish said it was against there faith to pay into an social > security insurance program besides they said they took care of their > old folks, they provided for them, the courts ruled again that it was > not insurance but a tax for a program, although the Medicare bill of > 1965 did exempt self employed Amish from paying social security and > medicare tax, largely due to public out cry of the mistreatment of > the Amish in Iowa by school authorites. > Of course politicans and bureuctats, even some teachers and > media people did mislead people into assuming social security was and > is a insurance program, that there is an actual trust fund so this > has the potentional of possible law suits including class action > suits. > > The government except maybe the local or county should get out > of the health care or health care providing business including > medicare and they should largely get out of the healthcare and drug > regulation business and get out of the intellectual property business > of drug patents.--- In [email protected], "John Stroebel" > <john.stroebel@> wrote: > > > > well, let's be reasonable. > > > > Let's cut our defence spending. We're throwing the money away > anyway...but > > second let's start by requiring EVERY government contract to go > through a > > bid process. No reason not to, would you agree? > > And when we stop paying 100% medican care to Iraqis we might discuss > > medicare. > > > > and when the law is changed, and when every American who did NOT > collect the > > soocial security funding he or she put in, we can talk about SSI > and SS. > > How's that? > > > > Oh...no, Bush was appointed, not elected the first time. The second > time is > > still being debated. Remember that one, it is still being debated? > > > > > > On 6/27/06, boyd.w.smith@ <boyd.w.smith@> wrote: > > > > > > From: John Stroebel <john.stroebel@<john.stroebel% > 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > ow about...Bush was never legally elected and it the absolute > > > > worse drunk of > > > > an appointed President since Grant? > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to disappoint you on this one, we actually did legally > elect him > > > both times. Stupid of us to do so, but still a legal election. > > > > > > > > > > How about we are spending money like it was growing on trees and > > > > our great grandkids will still be paying it off all so > Halliburten can > > > roll > > > > in dough? > > > > > > > This one yes, the first thing that needs to go is welfare and > Medicaid, > > > SSI and all other such crap. > > > > > > > > > > I think we can all agree on those facts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ******************************************************************* > > Are YOU Preparing For The November '06 Elections NOW??? > > > > ******************************************************************* > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Save-The-USA/ > > > > It is time to do something about all this! > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >
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