--- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Polls show that only 5% say corporations pay to many taxes, so ending > the tax on individuals and non corporations ( which are mostly small > busineses) would i'm sure be vastly popular. It's basically the > political wonks who can't see it.--- In > [email protected], "terry12622000" <cottondrop@> wrote: > > > > Actually a corporate tax would not be a tax in most cases it would > be > > a user fee for the service of incorporating, it would be a tax when > a > > group was forced to incorporate or when individuals and groups are > > forced to deal with corporations. Still ending all direct taxes on > > individuals and noncorporate and non limited liablity businesses > and > > nonprofits would put the political class establishment to the test > ( > > can it create enough value to sustain itself) while freeing up > > billions, possibly into trillions of dollars for people to > > participate in alternative markets and mutual aid.--- In > > [email protected], "John Stroebel" <john.stroebel@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I thought of you all as I was readying this post for a few other > > groups. > > > I thought of the reaction I got over the federal gov't paying an > > agreed > > > sum (adding up to a pittance) to the Ute people for a contract > > (treaty) > > > signed in the 20's. Man. Some folks really got them panties in a > > twist > > > over having to be 'indebted' for THAT deal! ;-) > > > > > > Well, I saw THIS little charm....so why is it that, I wondered, > that > > > these Libertarians aren't cryin' a river over an estimated 500 > > BILLION > > > DOLLARS cost for these lil' occupations the government is > carrying > > out > > > in our name? > > > > > > Ute easier pickins???? > > > > > > ahemmm....the post. ;-) > > > > > > THREE LIL' LIES WE ALL SWALLOWED > > > > > > hmmm...while I am still wondering, what IS this course we are > > staying??? > > > > > > The estimated costs for this useless, needless, obscene war of > > > aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan by 2007...500 Billion. Wanna > see > > it > > > in digits? $500,000,000,000. > > > > > > But I digress....this is an excellent article about three > wonderful > > > myths we Americans have fallen for....WMD, Zarqawi and Iraqi > > > sovereignty. enjoy! ;-) > > > > > > (did I say myths? Why of course I meant bald faced lies. Bush's > > pants on > > > fire.) > > > Cost of wars in Afghanistan & Iraq 2 top $500 BILLION in 2007 > > Three > > > Iraq Myths That Won't Quit > > > > > > By Scott Ritter > > > http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13764.htm > > > <http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13764.htm> > > 06/26/06 > > > "AlterNet" -- -- It is hard sometimes to know what is real and > what > > is > > > fiction when it comes to the news out of Iraq. America is in > > its "silly > > > season," the summer months leading up to a national election, and > > the > > > media is going full speed ahead in exploiting its primacy in the > > news > > > arena by substituting responsible reporting with headline- grabbing > > > entertainment. So, as America closes in on the end of June and > > the > > > celebration of the 230th year of our nation's birth, I thought I > > would > > > pen a short primer on three myths on Iraq to keep an eye out for > as > > we > > > "debate" the various issues pertaining to our third year of war > in > > that > > > country. The myth of sovereignty Imagine the president of the > > United > > > States flying to Russia, China, England, France or just about any > > other > > > nation on the planet, landing at an airport on supposedly > sovereign > > > territory, being driven under heavy U.S. military protection to > > the > > > U.S. Embassy, and then with some five minutes notification, > > summoning > > > the highest elected official of that nation to the U.S. Embassy > for > > a > > > meeting. It would never happen, unless of course the nation in > > question > > > is Iraq, where Iraqi sovereignty continues to be hyped as a > reality > > when > > > in fact it is as fictitious as any fairy tale ever penned by the > > > Brothers Grimm. For all of the talk of a free Iraq, the fact is > Iraq > > > remains very much an occupied nation where the United States (and > > its > > > ever decreasing "coalition of the willing") gets to call all the > > shots. > > > Iraqi military policy is made by the United States. Its borders > are > > > controlled by the United States. Its economy is controlled > largely > > by > > > the United States. In fact, there simply isn't a single major > > indicator > > > of actual sovereignty in Iraq today that can be said to be free of > > > overwhelming American control. Iraqi ministers continue to be > shot > > at by > > > coalition forces, and Iraqi police are powerless to investigate > > criminal > > > activities carried out by American troops (or their mercenary > > > counterparts, the so-called "Private Military Contractors"). The > > reality > > > of this myth is that the timeline for the departure of American > > troops > > > from Iraq is being debated (and decided) in Washington, D.C., not > > > Baghdad. Of course, as with everything in Iraq, the final vote > will > > be > > > made by the people of Iraq. But these votes will be cast in > > bullets, not > > > ballots, and will bring with them not only the departure of > American > > > troops from Iraq, but also the demise of any Iraqi government > > foolish > > > enough to align itself with a nation that violates international > > law by > > > planning and waging an illegal war of aggression, and continues to > > > conduct an increasingly brutal (and equally illegitimate) > > occupation. > > > The myth of Zarqawi I have said all along that the poll figures > > showing > > > Americans to be overwhelmingly against the war in Iraq were > > illusory. > > > Only 28 percent of Americans were against the war when we invaded > > Iraq. > > > The ranks have swelled to over 60 percent not because there has > > been an > > > awakening of social conscience and responsibility, but rather > > because > > > things aren't going well in Iraq, and there is increasing angst > in > > the > > > American heartland because we seem to be losing the war in Iraq, > > and no > > > one likes a loser. So when the word came that the notorious > > terrorist, > > > Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, was killed by American military action, the > > > president suddenly had a "good week," and poll numbers adjusted > > slightly > > > in his favor. However, the facts cannot be re-written, even by > a > > > slavish American mainstream media. Zarqawi was never anything > more > > than > > > a minor player in Iraq, a third-rate Jordanian criminal whose > > exploits > > > were hyped up by a Bush administration anxious to prove that the > > > insurgency that was getting the best of America in Iraq was > > > foreign-grown and linked to the perpetrators of the 9/11 terror > > attacks > > > nonetheless. The reality of just how wrong such an assessment is > > (and > > > was) has been pounded home in blood. Since Zarqawi's death, the > > violence > > > has continued to spiral out of control in Iraq, with Americans > > > continuing to die, Iraqis still being slaughtered, and Zarqawi > and > > his > > > organization, successor and all, still as irrelevant to reality > as > > ever. > > > The war against the American occupation in Iraq is being fought > > > overwhelmingly by Iraqis. The insurgency is growing and becoming > > > stronger and more organized by the day. This, of course, is a > > reality > > > that the Bush administration cannot afford to have the American > > people > > > know about in an election year, as a compliant media, having sold > > its > > > soul to the devil in hyping of the virtues of an invasion of Iraq > > back > > > in 2002-2003, continues to dance with the party that brought them > by > > > supporting the Republican position, by and large, that the > conflict > > in > > > Iraq is a winnable one for America. Good ratings, more dead > > Americans > > > (and Iraqis, but who is counting?) and a war that will never end > > until > > > the United States finally slinks out, defeated, its tail tucked > > firmly > > > between its legs. The myth of WMD Regardless of what Sen. Rick > > > Santorum and the lunatic neoconservative fringe want to think, no > > > weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq. Citing a > > classified > > > Department of Defense report that claims some 500 artillery > shells > > have > > > been found in Iraq by U.S. forces since the invasion and > subsequent > > > occupation of Iraq in March 2003, Santorum and his cronies in the > > > right-wing media have been spouting nonsense about how Bush got > it > > right > > > all along, that there were WMD in Iraq after all. He conveniently > > fails > > > to report that there is nothing "secret" about this data, it has > all > > > been reported before (by the Bush administration, nonetheless), > and > > that > > > the shells in question constitute old artillery munitions > > manufactured > > > well prior to 1991 (the year of the first Gulf War, and a time > after > > > which the government of Saddam Hussein stated -- correctly, it > > turned > > > out that no WMD were produced in Iraq). The degraded sarin > nerve > > agent > > > and mustard blister agent contained in the discovered munitions > had > > long > > > since lost their viability, and as such represented no threat > > > whatsoever. Furthermore, the haphazard way in which they were > > > "discovered" (lying about the ground, as opposed to carefully > stored > > > away) only reinforces the Iraqi government's past claims that > many > > > chemical munitions were scattered about the desert countryside in > > remote > > > areas following U.S. bombing attacks on the ammunition storage > > depots > > > during the first Gulf War. Having personally inspected scores of > > these > > > bombed-out depots, I can vouch for the veracity of the past Iraqi > > > claims, as well as the absurdity of the claims made today by > > Santorum > > > and others, who continue to hold personal political gain as being > > worth > > > more than the blood of over 2,500 dead Americans. These three > > myths -- > > > WMD, Zarqawi and Iraqi sovereignty -- are what members of Congress > > > should be debating in their halls of power, the American media > > should be > > > discussing either in print or across the airwaves, and that > > discussion > > > should constitute the foundation of a movement towards > > accountability, > > > where the citizens of the United States finally point an > accusatory > > > finger at those whom they elected to represent them in higher > > office, > > > and who have failed in almost every regard when it comes to Iraq. > > But > > > then again, silly me for thinking this way, believing that there > > was an > > > engaged constituency within America that knows and understands the > > > Constitution of the United States and seeks to live each day as a > > true > > > citizen empowered by the ideal and values set forth by that > > document. I > > > had overlooked the Fourth Myth -- that American citizens are > > engaged in > > > our national debate. Scott Ritter served as chief U.N. weapons > > > inspector in Iraq from 1991 until his resignation in 1998. He is > the > > > author of, most recently, " Iraq Confidential: The Untold Story > > of the > > > Intelligence Conspiracy to Undermine the U.N. and Overthrow Saddam > > > Hussein <http://alternet.bookswelike.net/isbn/1560258527> " > (Nation > > > Books, 2005 > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >
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