David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In [email protected], Vic Cinc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Here we are at the slippery slope again. Political parties are > entities, that promote a set of governing principles, and it is > important that these parties stick to those principles. It was stated > that you believe the public wants some responsibility (nice euphemism > for control) enforced by government. So , now the question is what > controls does the public want? Ban smoking? Alcohol? Those are bad for > you, and according to your argument, government could come in and give > a shit. Tell me where you draw the line, between government enforce > responsibility and liberty?
that is the game of politics. its not up to me to draw a set of lines as to what is too much incursion into freedom, but clearly we must have social rules, like which side of the road to drive on, which must be enforced by government. without a rule about which side of the road to drive on we have anarchy. yet that rule represents an incursion into freedom. >How is a just government to function, in > the form of a poll of the day so the public can decide what > responsibility the public wants thrust upon them? If that is the case > we will have to differentiate between democracy and mob-rule, not > liberty and anarchy. I think it is the job of the constitution to differentiate democracy from mob-rule and liberty from anarchy. the constitution should set the rules as to what the mob cant do through government. > Liberty is like pregnancy in that you can't be a little bit of > either. Liberty with control isn't liberty at all, and once you get > into controlling liberties, you become a watered down Republican or > Democrat varied only in the difference and way you wish people > controlled and limited. I believe there is a quote the anti-war crowd > loves and overuses that is applicable here. > > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin the keyword here is "essential". driving on the wrong side of the road is not an essential liberty. and I think you hit the nail on the head, some freedoms are not essential. VIc ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
