Hey guys I have been mouthy on this site before about doers and talkers. I have come to the conclusion that not everyone has to walk to my drum beat. But as far as doers on this site. Tell chuck I give money to the state ,nationals and to differnt campaigns.I run a Libertarian blog that helps candidates and a campaign talk group that helps campaigns.Yesterday I bought TV ads( 200 of them) for a campaign here in Georgia. I was one of the FIRST to use Ballot Base(and I love it).But Eric a doer.The RLC would destroy the LP if it could.Eric you might say differnt but In Georgia you guys work against us.Eric is a tool for the Republican party.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Exactly Terry. That is what I like about this list > and why I've been here > since August of 1999 (even before your days!). And > that is why I stayed, > even after many other outlets have crumbled away or > been hijacked by > neo-libertarians, Republicans, or cliquish kids who > don't know jack shit > about libertarianism and aren't really interested in > learning (see some of > the MySpace libertarian forums for glaring > examples). Hell, there are > only about half a dozen of the 740ish members who've > been here longer, so > I feel comfortable saying that this list is not a > "campaigning only" > outlet and I don't recall that as having ever been > the format. > > I like the mix here of political advocates (me) and > political campaigners > (Chuck and Eric); libertarians and Libertarians; > anarcho-capitalists and > disgruntled Republicrats and Demopublicans. > > There is more than one way to work for liberty. > > I spend more of my time working to oppose the > boot-lickers on the PATRIOT > Act, REAL ID, domestic surveillance, financial > privacy invasions, and > other liberty related issues. That work comes in > the form of lawsuit > participation, legislative advocacy campaigns, > coalition activities such > as letters, press conferences, press releases, > lobbying efforts, > commentaries, phone calls, etc. > > There is far more to libertarianism than the > Libertarian Party and > electioneering. And no, that isn't a slam on > campaigning, it is > recognition that it is ONE part of a much larger > movement. > > I prefer to know WHY I'm fighting before I start > kicking someone's ass. > Winning isn't enough. I need to win with my > integrity intact. > > I refuse to become a Republican or a Democrat in > order to be popular and > considered "safe." > > I guess that makes folks like me "talkers" in the > REAL LIBERTARIANS ARE > ONLY INVOLVED IN CAMPAIGNING clique. > > So be it. > > __________________________________________________________________ > James Landrith > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cell: 703-593-2065 * fax: 760-875-8547 > AIM: jlnales * ICQ: 148600159 > MSN and Yahoo! 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If > >> that number is more than 25, I'd be astounded. > > > > TerryResponds: > > > > Chuck, this IS a 'disscussion' forum in which > there is participation > > by ANYONE who wants to express views PRO/CON about > libertarianism. > > > > People do also make contact here that results in > action. > > > > SOME of that is oriented to the Libertarian Party. > > > > *IF* you want help, from thoughtful people, for > your 'perspectives' > > on promoting liberty & justice for all, it would > be a good 'idea' to > > make your advocacy appealing to your audience > > > > *IF* you just want to carp (express) about people > not marching in > > lockstep to some pre-determined ACTION plan, > you're welcome to do > > that here too :) > > > > > > -Terry Liberty Parker > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Chuck > Moulton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > We need both thinkers and doers. Principle > without action, and > >> > action without principle, are both dead ends. > >> > >> Perhaps. But I see a whole lot of talkers and > very few doers. > >> Talking in circles without any action is a > collosal waste of time. > >> We're topped off on principle... it's time to > act. > >> > >> Eric is a doer. He travels around the country > helping on campaigns > >> and encourages others to get off their asses to > volunteer and donate > >> along with him. I don't agree with Eric on some > philosophical > > things > >> (like the Iraq war, George W Bush, etc.), but I > have a lot of > > respect > >> for him and we agree on libertarian issues a lot > more than we > > disagree. > >> > >> There are 740 members on this list. How many of > them have donated > >> money to libertarian campaigns? How many have > volunteered time? If > >> that number is more than 25, I'd be astounded. > >> > >> My LNC colleague and friend Hardy solicited this > list for help > > getting > >> Libertarians elected to the state legislature in > Vermont. It's not > > a > >> pipe dream... it's realistically achievable with > only a few thousand > >> dollars. How many people donated? > >> > >> > http://www.vtlp.org/news/blog02.asp?ProdCode=351142992006 > >> > >> I asked this group to volunteer 10 minutes each > to help me organize > >> college groups all over the country through > Facebook. Want to know > >> how many of you volunteered? Zero. > >> > >> http://www.facebooklibertarians.org/ > >> > >> LP headquarters has been soliciting volunteers > for months to make > >> phone calls to voters through the ballot base > software. How many of > >> you helped? > >> > >> http://www.ballotbase.org/ > >> > >> Talking accomplishes nothing without action. I > know all of you want > >> to be the talkers hoping someone else will take > the action. Well, > > it > >> doesn't work. YOU need to take the action. > >> > >> Every minute you spend debating philosophy here > is a minute you're > > not > >> spending helping Libertarians get elected and a > minute you're not > >> spending moving public policy in a libertarian > direction. > >> > >> Eric got the quote wrong. What I actually said > was: > >> "I'd rather have 1 Eric Dondero out walking polls > for libertarian > >> candidates and petitioning for libertarian > initiatives than 1,000 > > Paul > >> Irelands arguing about who is the purest > libertarian." > >> > >> And I stand by that statement. > >> > === message truncated === ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! 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