Bill,
I have not been on the list for well over a month. Kicking us off
lists won't change your state party's situation. In the next two months, our
candidates will start announcing their candidacies and the media will be
aware of the lpf falling apart. The media at that point will be aware of the
ALP, the boston tea party, the progressive libertarian party, and of at
least one more group forming their state libertarian party thanks to the
lpf's incompetence. For anyone that is upset about your state libertarian
party NOT runing candidates thanks to the republican liberty caucus, then I
encourage you to form your own libertarian party in your state. We at the
ALP are looking forward to Mike Barr running for state house of
representatives district 34 in 2008, especially Guy Wells. Mike Barr will
have a challenger from our party and it won't be pleasant. We have our own
libertarian state party in Florida and the lpf will have to deal with it.
When our candidates are running in 2008, it won't be pleasant for the lpf
and your candidates( if any thanks to the republican libertarian caucus) and
you will have to deal with it.
HA!
HA! HA! HA! HA!
James Coakley
Chairman Of The ALP, FL
>From: "BVA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: General Discussion - open to all <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "General Discussion - open to all" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [Talk] Mike and Mark's Odessy
>Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 04:25:59 -0000
>
>Ahhhh, I see who this is now.
>Painting with the broad brush again, are we James?
>
>I would agree with Larry Lawver's question (posted further down the thread
>- I'm working thru over 500 emails, and some aren't in chronological order
>- so shoot me) when he asked:
>"Why is the chair of a competitive political party allowed to post and
>defame our own activists on our own list? Are there any rules about who
>may be on this list? "
>
>As long as this list is maintained by the LPF for persons interested in
>furthering the LPF, I see NO reason whatsoever that flamers who repeatedly
>make vague claims against the LPF in order to create dissention among our
>members - perhaps in the hopes of gaining new members for THEIR party -
>should be allowed to post to this list.
>
>This list DOES have a purpose - always has had - and persons who work
>against that purpose should not be allowed on the list. We wouldn't embrace
>a Republican county chair or a Democrat state party secretary on here,
>they're competing with us. Same way with the ALP. It was your choice James,
>to form a separate party and slander our party activists, not mine.
>
>Accept personal responsibility for your actions and don't pull a John Wayne
>and cry "censorship" when you're booted off this list.
>
>Now live with it.
>
>I'd also recommend anyone working for the election of Republicans or
>Democrats instead of for the growth of the Libertarian Party of Florida be
>booted off this list as well. This list has a purpose and we need to stay
>focused on it.
>
>Bill Van Allen, Jr.
>At-Large Rep. 1 - LIBERTARIAN PARTY OF FLORIDA
>(that's the "lpf" in the list's address, James, a party to which you no
>longer belong)
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "James C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>;
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:02 PM
>Subject: RE: [Talk] Mike and Mark's Odessy
>
>
>>Mark,
>> You are supported by the lpfsc executive committee and Mike is
>>serving on that committee, therefore, the lpfsc executive committee must
>>support corruption. That's my opinion.
>>
>>James
>>
>>
>>>From: "W Mark Clifford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Reply-To: General Discussion - open to all <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: "General Discussion - open to all" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Subject: RE: [Talk] Mike and Mark's Odessy
>>>Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:56:37 -0000
>>>
>>>James:
>>>
>>>I read your posting and I saw something written by you slamming the
>>>Libertarian of Party of Seminole County for things Mike and I did.
>>>
>>>Is that your posting or is someone writing your email and pushing the
>>>send
>>>key for you?
>>>
>>>Your original text is still below.
>>>
>>>Mark
>>>
>>>Wm "Mark" Clifford
>>>1824 Landing Drive, Apt G, Sanford FL 32771-6793
>>>321-262-6009 (especially nights and weekends or Sprint PCS)
>>>http://home.cfl.rr.com/wclifford
>>>mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>>>James C
>>>Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:54 PM
>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: RE: [Talk] Mike and Mark's Odessy
>>>
>>>Mark,
>>> Your recollection of what happened is distorted. I never
>>>turned
>>>anyone in to the ethics commission. I found out about what happened to
>>>both
>>>you and Mike after the fact. You might want to talk to Guy Wells about
>>>that.
>>>I only served on the executive committee in seminole as a membership
>>>committee chair for two years and left the position vacant for new blood
>>>to
>>>take over to help the affiliate grow. I never served in a position and
>>>resigned because of no pay. When I served as region rep., I left because
>>>I
>>>was having financial problems at the time and it was preventing me from
>>>doing the job at the time to the best of my ability. Vicki Kirkland can
>>>back
>>>me up on those facts. After hearing about what happened to Mike, and then
>>>you, I stated my opinion. Why don't you and Mike confront Guy Wells on
>>>the
>>>ethics commission, he has more information on it than I do. If you want
>>>to
>>>be upset at somebody, it should be your business partner Mike Barr. I
>>>didn't
>>>turn you in to anyone or had anypart of you losing at least $20,000.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: "W Mark Clifford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >Reply-To: General Discussion - open to all <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >To: "General Discussion - open to all" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >Subject: RE: [Talk] Mike and Mark's Odessy Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006
>>>16:36:55
>>> >-0000
>>> >
>>> >James:
>>> >
>>> >You are demonstrating your typical attention to detail.
>>> >
>>> >Subject: Seminole County LPF Affiliate, Party of Corruption.
>>> >
>>> >The Seminole County Affiliate has nothing to do with the charge. Mike
>>>Barr
>>> >and Mark Clifford were charged.
>>> >
>>> >You are using the word "Corruption" with complete disregard for
>>>reality.
>>>I
>>> >have personally contributed $5000 out of my personal savings to the
>>> >Seminole
>>> >Soil and Water Conservation Board. That is $5000 to them and $0 to me.
>>>I
>>> >suggest you look up corruption and send me a letter of apology mailed
>>>to
>>>my
>>> >postal address.
>>> >
>>> >If there had been anything there, the Ethics board is required to
>>>follow
>>>up
>>> >with charges. Mike and I would each have been fined $20,000 for the
>>> >violation cited. The decision was actually split. If one more person
>>>had
>>> >paid attention and seen this was simply politically based, the decision
>>> >would have been the opposite.
>>> >
>>> >There was the original complaint all prefaced with the word "may".
>>> >There
>>> >was no physical evidence of any type. No audio recording. No written
>>> >evidence. No Contract, No Business Plan. I ask you to think about how
>>>you
>>> >would respond to a baseless charge. I laughed, because I did not
>>> >believe
>>> >the Ethics Board would even respond to such nonsense.
>>> >]
>>> >There was an option to rent the excess space in the to others. We had
>>>a
>>> >tenant called "The Bead Lady" and paid rent in return for space in the
>>> >shoppe. It was smart business practice for Mike to provide for
>>>additional
>>> >sources of revenue. It was bad luck to provide for that alternative
>>>given
>>> >the Ethics Investigation.
>>> >
>>> >Mike agreed to pay a $1500 fine given the legal advice he was given.
>>>Since
>>> >he agreed to a fine, it becomes very difficult for me to defend an
>>>equal
>>> >partner.
>>> >
>>> >I accepted a $750 fine not as some indication of wrongdoing. My failing
>>>was
>>> >not keeping my partner out of trouble.
>>> >
>>> >The business failed on several counts. One was we did not develop and
>>>use
>>> >a
>>> >business plan. (Candidates note the lesson applies to Campaigns as
>>>well).
>>> >Two was the distraction of the investigation. Three was the closing of
>>>the
>>> >street for construction.
>>> >
>>> >I had a choice between putting $20,000 in a trust to pay for a legal
>>> >proceeding in Leon County or to set myself up as Pro See counsel.
>>>There
>>>is
>>> >no pot of money to buy unlimited legal service. The Florida Ethics
>>>Office
>>> >does not have a Pro Bono branch.
>>> >
>>> >When you were elected as member of the Executive Committee, you asked
>>>what
>>> >your staff and budget was and you quit the position when you discovered
>>>it
>>> >was zero. I quit when a person I believed to be a friend filed a false
>>> >charge and violated his promise to not use force as a means of
>>>obtaining
>>> >political ends.
>>> >
>>> >Good Luck Phishing for folks among the other parties but I am bored
>>>with
>>> >your noise.
>>> >
>>> >There never was an attempt to profit from our office. There never was
>>>a
>>> >hint of an idea of any activity.
>>> >
>>> >Your saying the LP of SC is not putting any candidates on the ballot is
>>> >also
>>> >false. Sean Concannon and Leslie Berryman are running.
>>> >]
>>> >People are trying to live lives honorably and entertaining yourself
>>>with
>>> >politics is just wrong by every measure.
>>> >
>>> >Mark
>>> >
>>> >Wm "Mark" Clifford
>>> >1824 Landing Drive, Apt G, Sanford FL 32771-6793
>>> >321-262-6009 (especially nights and weekends or Sprint PCS)
>>> >http://home.cfl.rr.com/wclifford
>>> >mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>>>James
>>> >C
>>> >Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:15 PM
>>> >To: [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
>>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >Subject: [Talk] Seminole County LPF Affiliate, Party of Corruption
>>> >
>>> >The libertarian party of florida should change their logo from the
>>>party
>>>of
>>> >principle, to the party of corruption. They wonder why there is the
>>> >american
>>> >libertarian party, the progressive libertarian party, and soon to be
>>>the
>>> >boston tea party state affiliates. The libertarian party of florida has
>>> >very
>>> >serious problems when they support corrupt county affiliates, and they
>>> >don't
>>> >support putting candidates on the ballot.
>>> >
>>> > James
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >_______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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>
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