Chris, I have'nt defended you against personal insult (ad hominem) just to enable you to personally attack others in this forum!
Everyone: attack the message, NOT the messenger... or, in other words GROW the FUCK up! "The forum's purpose can also become swamped by posting OFF-topic messages. Thus, moderation of messages may be imposed on some posters in order to help maintain the conceptual focus of this forum. That means 'take it outside' (of this forum) when you want to 'flame' (personal attack, ad hominem) someone in this forum. That includes juvenile gossip and witch hunts about WHO iz, or iz not, a libertarian. see http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertarianFlame Obviously, untrue attributions or flagrantly explicit distortions regarding another poster's advocacy in this forum (aka: slander) are also forms of ad hominem; thus off-topic here. AlsoSee http://www.onelook.com/?w=ad+hominem&ls=a " MoreAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/56692 -Terry Liberty Parker Owner/moderator, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian --- In [email protected], chris fields <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In other words you have no value of freedom? Regardless of my opinion of that, thats something you'll have to work out for yourself. > > When somebody kills somebody they take away that individuals inherent right to live and feel secure.....That is an example of not acknowledging rights although it is an extreme example. > > As an American according to the bill of rights you have the right to say what you want when you want to say it for example, If i were to not acknowledge that right > then i wouldn't have to accept your right to say what you wanted to say. > The police could actually arrest you for saying something they didn't want you to say if they didn't have to acknowledge your rights. > > As an American i do consider myself to be special. > > P.S if you do not value freedom above all else then you are not only not a libertarian but not an American and in fact you are a detriment to freedom > and should be deported if you do live in America. Maybe we could deport you and import an illegal who actually does value freedom above all. Just a thought > > If you don't value anything then you don't believe in anything i don't believe that to be true. I believe you do have values and you do love freedom. > Susan Hogarth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chris: > > > ... How can granting them the same rights as those who are loyal to this country benefit us? ... > > Susan: > > I am not loyal to this country. Do you want to take away my rights? > > What do you mean about *granting* rights, anyway? They aren't yours to > > give. > > Chris: > > They are inherent rights that Americans as a whole consider to be those of Americans. > > Susan: > If they are inherent, it doesn't matter one bit what "Americans as a > whole' consider. And I think the idea that Americans have different > 'inherent' rights from other people is ludicrous. > > Chris: > > Hopefully when you say that you aren't loyal to this country (if your an American citizen) you mean you aren't loyal to the government. > > Susan: > That, too. But I am *not loyal to this country*. > > Chris: > > If your not loyal to the intent of the founders who tried their damnest to make you and i both as free as we could possibly be and believed in it so much they sacrificed their property and lives for future generations then i gotta say you're not really a libertarian. > > Susan: > I respect their work and their thinking insofar as it was correct and > laudable. But they weren't gods; they were VERY fallible men. > > Chris: > > A libertarian believes in freedom above all and a limited government which is exactly what the founders tried to do. If this is not the case then i am not a libertarian. > > Susan: > Oh, I'm all for freedom and limited government. In this discussion > though, at every turn you have proposed *more* government as far as I > can tell. > > -- > Susan Hogarth > http://www.colliething.com > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
