You should talk to some people who have government health care. People really 
do not like it.

One of the relics of socialism we have left in Estonia is government health 
care. I pay 13%(tax rate) of my salary to government health care. If I need to 
go see a specialists I have to wait roughly 2-6 months to get an appointment or 
visit a private doctor who will see me the same day and pay about 50 dollars. 
If I need surgery its even worse.
Few years ago I had appendicitis. Government doctors sent me back from the 
hospital because they could not find my appendix. Instead of that one of the 
idiot doctors noted on the chart that I had 2 spleens. Because I did not get 
treatment I had to go back next day with much more serious pain. Eventually 
they did cut me open but because they did not do it in time I had lots of 
complications. And of course because its government system nobody is 
responsible if a patient gets poor health care. Thankfully in the next 
parliament election private health care will most likely be the number 1 issue.

Michal Moors documentary is completely 1 sided. I have heard horror stories 
from my friends all over Europe about their government health care systems. US 
system does have it flaws and they can be corrected. But a government run 
health care is not the way to go. The problem with US health care system is not 
that it is free market solution. The US system not a free market solution and 
thats what you need to change. You need real private health care.

On 07/06/2007 21:33, Marsha MCClelland wrote:
>  
> The following was sent to 911 truth groups and a few of my favorite 
others, by 
> me, Marsha McClelland, in retaliation because of a known shill for the 
corrupt 
> bush administration defaming Michael's great and eyeopening 
> documentary...These shills are all over the internet in many groups trying 
to 
> stifle truth on this matter as well as many others...This is super as 
they, as 
> usual, unwittingly, help truth out by calling attention to it as real 
> Americans & patriots come to the forefront & are given chance to 
speak up & 
> out
>    
>   Re: (Kudos to Michael Moore)  Movie Michael
>    
>   Michael did a great job and real Americans recognize truth when they 
hear it 
> so don't even pay attention to Truth About 911's resident liar...To those 
of 
> you in other 911 truth groups, join them if you'd like and help 911 truth 
> out>>>http://tinyurl.com/yhlcot
>    
>   Those opposed to the truth in Michael's film are the shills and agents 
for 
> the corrupt along with those of us who have been brainwashed 
effectively...The 
> sleeping Americans who will wake up are afraid of socialized health care 
only 
> because they don't trust or want government controlling it...This is 
> understandable but fact is>>>When we clean up the corrupt 
embedded in 
> government and revamp, then it can and will work for "US", too
>    
>   Let bush and his cronies try to imprison Michael and those brave, 
cheated 
> and neglected 911 rescue worker volunteers for going to Cuba as they are 
> working on...The real Americans and good people will never allow 
that...Those 
> prison camps waiting to be populated as Cindy Sheehan has recently stated 
will 
> be filled by the neocons and neoconetts themselves, instead
>    
>   Yeah, we're a free country all right when it's dictated to "US" where we 
can 
> and can''t go...The lying about everything including other countries won't 
> work any more and Michael has fixed that as his film is escalating like 
none 
> ever before...The wanna be dictator bush and cronies are all but out 
now...Hit 
> the media guys and if you need email contacts for them and the elected 
> officials just ask...I'll even give you the private emails of the 
reporters 
> and journalists...My netscape account has been corrupted by  the hackers 
so 
> I'll have to watch this sbc one for your requests...If you don't get a 
reply 
> from me keep asking as my email is overloaded on this account and hard to 
keep 
> up with
>    
>   Watch for the soon to come press release, too, and take action...We are 
> taking back our country and no one will stop that...Not all the little 
> shooters in world activated multiplied by a hundred can
>    
>   I sent the following Sicko download to all the groups with permission 
from 
> Michael and here it is again...It's still up for now so see it while you 
can 
> online and forward it everywhere...Then take all you can who don't have 
access 
> to computers or recommend them seeing the film in the theaters, too
>    
>   Michael Moore's Sicko>>>
>    
>   This is not just about health care, therefore cannot be off topic 
>   Hurry, forward and download it now before it's gone again...This is a 
must 
> see...Anyone putting it down is plain ignorant of true facts or shills for 
the 
> corrupt and want to keep us ignorant
>  
> Try this link and click on download if the others don't work>>>
>  
> http://tinyurl.com/2xv5u6
>  
>   VIDEO: "SiCKO" Goes to Washington
>   
> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/062807K.shtml
>   
> Just one week before the release of Michael Moore's new documentary about 
the 
> American health care industry, Moore traveled to Washington to push for 
> universal health care. Truthout's Geoffrey Millard followed Moore as he 
> testified before Congress, and provided a screening of the film to health 
care 
> lobbyists. SiCKO premieres around the country on Friday June 29th.
> *********************************
> Movie still seems to be here:
>   
> You can watch (might not be there long) or download
> http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6652
>    
>    
>   Please join our activists & patriots if you're a concerned citizen 
and/or 
> parent>>>
>    
>   "We The People United Movement"
>   We are many Political and Patriot Groups joining together, to help right 
the 
> wrongs in America..."United We Will Stand"
>    
>   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED/
>   
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "shooter586"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "seveneasypeaces" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Socialized health care makes lots of jobs and people live well 
> > > enough. The guy from Labor Party in England said it best, if we 
> > can 
> > > afford to kill people in war, we can afford to heal them. War 
> > makes 
> > > jobs, so does good health care (and they of course have an 
> > emphasis 
> > > on prevention).  Our pharm industry spends an unnecessary 
fortune 
> > > trying to convince us that we need their junk.  It adds to the 
> > cost.  
> > > I loved his trip to Cuba and the 5 cent medicine.
> > > 
> > > In the old days the Chinese doctor was only paid while the 
family 
> > was 
> > > well.  He was paid for his good advice and herbal medicines.  He 
> > was 
> > > paid to succeed.  I forget which country MM was in but the 
doctors 
> > > make more when their patients are successfully healthier. It 
means 
> > > they are doing a good job.
> > > 
> > > I never realized that smart canadians get a short term insurance 
> > > policy if they travel to the U.S. They don't want to get caught 
in 
> > > our mess.
>   
> Marsha writes>>>shooter the resident liar & shill for the 
corrupt embedded in 
> government wrote this in reply to Seven, who is a real patriot>>>
> > 
> > I think MM did his job if you think everything in his movie is not 
> > anecdotal.
> >
> 
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