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>From: Gabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Nov 20, 2007 3:29 PM
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>Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Liberty Decides
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>Is the goal to get electoral votes or popular vote? What strategies
>should best be used?

First question.

Depends on what you're out to accomplish.  Here's my happiest scenario, for 
what it's worth, and what I think will have to happen to make that happen.  
YMMV.

What do you want to accomplish?

As I see it, the ultimate goal is to continually improve society by reducing 
government until it is no longer possible to do so.  That's not going to happen 
as a direct consequence of this election (or any one election), so we should 
focus on making it more likely to happen later.

What would have to happen before that?

Reducing government would have to be an objective (often attained) of at least 
one of the dominant political parties.  Let's be less ambitious (!) by having 
only one such party.

What would have to happen before that?

Reducing the growth of government would have to be an objective (often 
attained) of at least one of the dominant political parties.

What would have to happen before that?

One of the existing political parties would have to be replaced by a political 
party that claimed to want less government and be successful often enough to 
make those claims credible, or one of the existing political parties would have 
to become such a party.  Let's take a hint from the past and assume that it 
will be the former: the Democrats won't change from the Party that Robs Peter 
to Pay Paul, and the Republicans won't quit being the At Least We are Better 
than Democrats Party.  They are both beyond salvaging.  It will have to be a 
new party.

What would have to happen before that?

Another political party dedicated to reducing government will have to grow to 
the point that it replaces one of them -- probably the Republicans, is my guess.

What would have to happen before that?

Its candidates would have to win about 1/3 of the elections where they ran 
against a D and an R, and about 1/2 of the elections where they ran against 
just a D or an R.

What would have to happen before that?

They would have to frequently be the "balance of power" (i.e. get more votes 
than the difference between the Democrat's and Republican's candidates), so 
voting for its candidates would be seen as a practical political move by 
voters, rather than just an irrelevant protest vote.

What would have to happen before that?

The candidates would have to routinely stress small-government positions in 
opposition to bi-partisan agreement and in agreement with much of the 
electorate -- and people who hadn't voted much.  Ending eminent domain abuse, 
definitely.  Medical marijuana for the terminally ill, probably.  And so on.

What would have to happen before that?

Their party organizations would have to become good at getting votes and less 
interested in inventing and refining the social institutions of "Libertopia".

What would have to happen before that?

Beats the hell out of me.  If I knew how to teach Libertarians to campaign 
effectively, I'd be campaigning successfully myself.

So to answer your first question: no.  Don't focus on the electoral vote OR the 
popular vote.  Doing well -- by either measure -- in he presidential race isn't 
on the "critical path" for this project.  Not yet.


Second question.  The strategy -- is outlined in broad terms in the answer to 
the first question.

What we need to do is get better at tactics, in support of the earliest part of 
carrying out the strategy.  A brilliant strategy is useless if the soldiers 
can't shoot -- or are pacificts.  (Sorry for the military metaphor.  I'd have 
chosen something else, but strategy was the word in the question, and I took it 
in the military sense.)

The anti-political Libertarian is about as useless as can be, in a political 
party.  At least in a war, a pacifist can be a medic.  But someone opposed to 
political success in a campaign?  Sheesh.  If you're not interested in doing 
politics, by all means, go work for a libertarian think tank, or write really 
good novels that express libertarian themes in an entertaining and 
thought-provoking ways.  Donate to the Advocates for Self-Government, or 
single-issue groups that support the libertarian position on some issue.  But 
stay out of LP political activity.

If you are going ot do it, do it right.  Focus your efforts where they will do 
the most good.

Learn to campaign effectively.  Get lots of votes, especially in close races.  
A vote from someone who agrees with your 100% on everything (rather than with 
some other, "unprincipled" Libertarian of a different stripe) counts no more 
than a vote from somebody who is mad as hell and knows it's the fault of the 
Democrats and Republicans, and wants to do something about it.  If it's not too 
much trouble.  ("And what the hell -- I was going to vote, anyway.  Why not 
send those bastards a message?")  You can get 10 or 20 or 100 votes with the 
same amount of effort it takes to get someone who votes Libertarian to be 
identical to you in ideology.  They already vote correctly, which is what 
political parties (and candidate) should concentrate on.

People who have no interest in reading (and re-reading) a certain 1200 page 
novel -- or whatever some Libertarians consider to be more important that 
winning elections -- still have one vote, same as a devout Randite or a devoted 
Rothbardian or a (fill in the blank) such as myself.  Accept them for what they 
are, and move on to the next swayable voter.

Most people who vote for D and R candidates don't have a deep ideological 
commitment or deep intellectual understanding of what the candidates' parties 
stands for and hopes to accomplish (mostly because those things mostly don't 
exist).  There's no reason to insist they have a a deep ideological commitment 
or deep intellectual understanding of what the Libertarian Party is about, 
either.  It's nice to have, but not essential, and foolish to demand, if you 
want to see government shrink.

If the LP can't do that basic thing -- eventually win elections about half the 
time, and before that, win the balance of power (i.e. beat the margin of 
victory) in most elections it runs candidates in -- there's no point wasting 
time and money on it.  Start a new political party or support another political 
party with better prospects for success at reducing government.


There are reasons to think the LP is as unsalvagable as the Democrats and the 
Republicans: so very many Libertarians focus on things that will not make those 
necessary things happen -- inventing Libertopian social institutions, or 
hair-splitting about the "true" nature of the Federal Reserve or the Post 
Office, etc. -- rather than accomplishing what must be done to attain the 
ultimate goal.

And there are reasons to think it is salvagable: name recognition, ballot 
status (attained or attainable), dedicated people.


Our actions during the current election season and future election seasons and 
during the time between those elections will be a reason in one category -- or 
the other.  Time will tell which.   -Eric

P.S.  Two books make a number of points far better than I could (made and not 
made, above).  Both are by Robert Heinlein.

One is non-fiction and out of print: "Take Back Your Government".  The 
nuts-and-bolts have to be translated to allow for 6 decades of political and 
social and technological change, but the translation is easy enough for just 
about anyone sensible enough to do the work in its 21st century form.  And some 
of it isn't different at all.

The other book is "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress".  It's about a different 
objective -- a successful rebellion by colonists to prevent famine -- but the 
overall situation is the same: have an ultimate goal, consider your resources 
and assets, work out a path for getting there from where you are using what you 
have or can get, allow for contingencies, work your ass off, take necessary 
risks, face facts.

And it has some practical rules of thumb at the tactical level, too, such as: 
don't use what is available just because it's available.  Example: There are 
volunteers with "Gilligan's Syndrome", best illustrated by these words of 
wisdom from the Skipper: "You want to help me?  Don't help me!"  We all can (I 
hope) find a more tactful approach to the same end.  (Otherwise, WE are the 
Gilligan.)

Both -- especially TBYG -- have another effect, at least on me: they often 
boost my morale and motivate me to do immensely difficult feats (like talking 
to strangers about how they should vote).   -ESH

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