Yes, very carefully, and those exceptions, also very carefully...interesting suggestion, be in front of the parade to be thought leading the parade, Thank you for your ideas...Jane Stilwell ----- Original Message ---- From: David Macko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:53:17 PM Subject: Re: [Libertarian] State sponsored/approved murder, was: Abortion is Good--Not necessarily
If I am able to campaign, I plan to mention the death penalty as an example of legitimate government power which must be used very carefully. The Restoration Caucus at www.restore04. com is working to resuscitate the 2004 Platform. I am glad to see that you are an endorser and hope that other members of this list will follow your example, especially those who are delegates to the national convention. NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President. Restore the Republic, RON PAUL for President David Macko ----- Original Message ----- From: linnabary51 To: Libertarian@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [Libertarian] State sponsored/approved murder, was: Abortion is Good--Not necessarily Well, at this late date, it is probably too late to do anything with the Platform, as far as adding an anti capital punishment plank, let alone to resuscitate the LP Platform back to something resembling libertarianism. But, it is NOT too late for our candidates to seriously consider making it a main plank of their individual campaigns. Many voters feel rather strongly about this issue. We do win when we find a parade of voters to get in front of. When we step to the front, voters think we are leading it. It is one more parade to get in front of. PEACE Steve -----Original Message----- >From: David Macko <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> >Sent: Apr 14, 2008 12:46 PM >To: Libertarian@ yahoogroups. com >Subject: Re: [Libertarian] State sponsored/approved murder, was: Abortion is >Good--Not necessarily > >State sponsored murder, whether in war or regarding capital punishment is >wrong. State sponsored defensive retaliation under the control of citizens >through the Constitution and other laws such as use of jury nullification and >mandatory use of DNA evidence is a lawful delegation of power. >I was not entirely tongue in cheek about proper punishment for our misleaders. >Although thinking of the Bush gang in GITMO provides much emotional >sustenance, it would still be my tax money paying for their food, clothing and >shelter, possibly for many years. >Specifically, what proposals are you making for the national platform, >assuming that we resuscitate it? > >NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may >have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this >without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor >protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President. > >Restore the Republic, RON PAUL for President >David Macko > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: linnabary51 > To: Libertarian@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:08 AM > Subject: [Libertarian] State sponsored/approved murder, was: Abortion is > Good--Not necessarily > > > > I suppose you can take solace in your "moderate" viewpoint. However, I do > take exception to your claim that your opinion is "logical". > > The "real" Libertarian position should be that state sponsored and approved > murder is wrong, whether from war, capital punishment, or abortion. > > Every person (moral or otherwise) can find an exception to each of the above. > But our fall back position should be that murder is to be avoided as much as > possible. > > It is BECAUSE L/libertarians of good conscience disagree on this matter, > these matters should be tied together in our LP Patform. > > But, even your (tongue in cheek) position to use this punishment on some of > our more authoritarian despots is wrong. We should allow them "full and > proper justice" with a taste of their own medicine...GITMO. > > PEACE > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > >From: David Macko <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> > >Sent: Apr 13, 2008 1:04 PM > >To: Libertarian@ yahoogroups. com > >Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Re: Abortion is Good--Not necessarily > > > >I take the moderate, logical and libertarian position that I may request the > >assistance of others in the defense of my rights. Since I have the right to > >defend myself up to and including killing anyone who is attacking me or > >trying to destroy my property, I may request such assistance. Obviously, all > >legitimate government powers should be used as sparingly as possible to > >protect innocent life, liberty and property. > >Some people behave in such a way that they no longer deserve to live. Again, > >obviously, the chance of a wrong judgment should be avoided. Fortunately, > >DNA evidence and jury nullification should be used to minimize the chance of > >punishing the innocent. They should be in effect for all cases. > >On the other hand, why should I have to pay for the food, clothing and > >shelter of murderers, traitors, serious child molesters and other brutal > >rapists? > >Finally, if you abolish the death penalty it will be impossible to bring the > >Bushes, Clintons, Rumsfeld, Gates, Rice, Chertoff et al. to full and proper > >justice. > >Since L/libertarians of good conscience disagree on this matter, it should > >remain the only major issue which is not mentioned in the LP national > >platform. > > > >NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency > >may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do > >this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor > >protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President. > > > >Restore the Republic, RON PAUL for President > >David Macko > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: linnabary51 > > To: Libertarian@ yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 1:50 PM > > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Re: Abortion is Good--Not necessarily > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >From: David Macko <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> > > > > > > > > > If someone recognizes that life begins at conception and that all > > > innocent human life should be protected from conception to natural death, > > > he is pro-life. > > > > > > > I certainly hope that you include opposition to capital punishment as part > > of your "pro life" criteria. > > > > PEACE > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
