Well Bruce, you MIGHT have a point that libertarians shouldn't use a litmus test to judge a "libertarian" candidate. And I'll stipulate that there MIGHT be a libertarian defense of our senseless war(s), albeit I haven't heard it yet.
But with democrats and republicans falling over each other trying to out war each other, it MIGHT be the time to give voters an alternative. An alternative that is sorely lacking in the mainstream candidates as well as some libertarian candidates. And you MIGHT also notice that polls show voters tiring over the Obama/republican wars. PEACE Steve On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Bruce Cohen <[email protected]>wrote: > > > But nothing! > > Enough with the litmus test libertarianism, please. > > Why does it boil down to only one part of one issue? > Why are some Libertarians only concered with that? > > Well, rest your weary mind, Donny. > > Wayne has said publicly, over and over again we > should get out of those theaters. > > Before you make these allusions about your illusions, > how about you just go to www.RootForAmerica.com and > see what he's been saying for YEARS about this. > > I, on the other hand, do NOT think we should get out. > Am I a baaaaad Libertarian for thinking this? > > And should I stop supporting Wayne or any other > Libertarian who disagrees with me on military foreign policy? > > 'Cause that's what you guys seem to suggest. > > Grow up. > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, donald meinshausen > <[email protected]<freedonnow%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > From: donald meinshausen <[email protected] <freedonnow%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Root: Unemployment Hits 10.2%. Obama Sends Us on > Path to Economic Ruin. > To: [email protected] <Libertarian%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 1:07 PM > > > > > Root is right on all those points. But is he willing to cut the losses > incurred by the US empire's biggest, wasteful program which is also > murderous as well? How does Root stand on the withdrawal from wars in Iraq > and in Afghanistan? We can expect the Dems and the GOP to oppose the > majority of Americans in pursuing another Vietnam. The LP could be the party > of peace, liberty and prosperity and get lots of votes in supporting a > candidate no more radical than Ron Paul in calling for an immediate pullout > of all overseas commitments. . > > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Bruce Cohen <brucedcohen2002@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: Bruce Cohen <brucedcohen2002@ yahoo.com> > Subject: [Libertarian] Root: Unemployment Hits 10.2%. Obama Sends Us on > Path to Economic Ruin. > To: "Root For America" <rootforamerica@ yahoogroups. com> > Cc: cal-l...@yahoogroup s.com > > Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 2:27 PM > > > > Unemployment Hits 10.2% > > Obama - on Path to Economic Ruin > > Forget Death Panels for Obamacare- > > The Real Tragedy Is Obama Killing Small Business! > > Obama Wakes Up To a Big Surprise- > > Government Creates No Jobs Unions Kill Jobs > > By Wayne Allyn Root, Author > > The Conscience of a Libertarian: Empowering the Citizen > > Revolution with God, Guns, Gambling & Tax Cuts > > The national unemployment rate hit 10.2% today. What a surprise! Actually > it may have come as a great surprise to the Messiah aka President Barack > Obama, but it came as no surprise to anyone who understands economics. My > old college classmate Obama is not among that group. > > Small business creates upwards of 75% to 80% of all new jobs. If small > business is failing, there are no new jobs. Without a robust small business > community, there can be no economic recovery. All the stimulus money in the > world going to Obama's big business campaign contributors- unions, > government employees, banks, Wall Street- will not end the recession. All > the government jobs saved and created will do nothing, but take money and > jobs AWAY from the private sector. All the billions of dollars lavished on > unions and union workers will push the country back into recession. All the > government union workers honored with raises by Obama will increase the > national debt and damage the economic recovery. Only a recovery led by small > business can save us. We are staring at an economic Armageddon- not just for > us, but for our children and grandchildren. > > We have been lied to- by Obama, by Pelosi, by Treasury Secretary Geithner, > by Fed Chief Bernanke. There is no recovery. The recession isn't over. To > the contrary, we are in the start of a long-term depression caused by big > government, big spending, onerous taxes and government regulations placed on > business, too much deficit and debt. > > Obama isn't the solution. He is the problem. He knows nothing about > business- small or large. He has never owned a business, run a business, > funded a business, or created a job in his life. His entire knowledge of > economics comes from books. And they are the wrong books- Karl Marx never > created a job either. > > I didn't need today's bad news on unemployment to know we were coming out > of the recession. I only needed to open my eyes and see the real tragedy > right in front of me on Main Street: > > *The hair salon where I've had my hair cut for 8 years- a bustling, loud, > prosperous small business in Las Vegas (before Obama)- went out of business > last month. Closed with no notice- the doors padlocked by sheriffs. > > *The healthy fast food restaurant where I ate organic hamburgers, organic > milkshakes, and baked fries for years- also a bustling, prosperous business > (before Obama)- went out of business last month. Not just one small > business, but rather the entire chain of 5 restaurants in Nevada and Florida > gone. > > *My biggest competitor in the sports handicapping industry, a legend in our > industry, after 30 years in business, closed up shop 2 weeks ago. 30 years > of prosperity, hundreds of millions in revenues pumped into the economy, and > 100 good-paying jobs down the drain. All it took was 9 months of Obama > running the economy. > > *U.S. Air- the 2nd largest airline carrier into Las Vegas- announced just > last week that they are cutting HALF their routes. Does that sound like the > end of a recession? > > *One of my neighbors- a well-known celebrity, CEO and multi-millionaire- > has put his multi-million dollar Vegas mansion up for short sale to stave > off foreclosure. > > *One of my best friends has closed or sold off 8 of his 12 vitamin stores > to try to stop the bleeding of business losses. He reports that the last 4 > months have been the worst of his 25 years in business. He says, business > has literally dropped off a cliff. He also says and I quote, anyone that > says we are in recovery is either a fool or a liar. > > Small business is in freefall. Not only will there be no new jobs, we will > continue losing jobs until Obama finds a way to save small business. > Unemployment will only go up from here. Saving or creating government jobs > won't save the American economy- as we now see. Obama's theories don't work > in the real world. They only work in books- books written by Karl Marx. The > Obama experiment is a massive failure. > > But the reality is Obama has a much bigger problem on his hands. Small > business doesn't just create all the jobs, it pays virtually all the taxes. > That means there will also be no tax revenues to pay for Obama's massive > spending programs, entitlements and stimulus. That means all of Obama's > deficit forecasts are way off. Since Obama projects almost $10 trillion in > deficits over the next decade, my educated guess is we should count on a > figure closer to $15 to $20 trillion in deficit. We are in a world of > trouble under the leadership of a man who thinks government creates jobs. > Good luck with that. > > Having said all of that, just criticizing isn't good enough. Critics need > to provide solutions. In my next commentary I'll show a simple two-step > program (direct from the pages of my new book) to save small business and > turn this entire economy around quickly. Obama, are you listening? > > Wayne Allyn Root was the 2008 Libertarian Vice Presidential candidate. His > new book is entitled, The Conscience of a Libertarian: Empowering the > Citizen Revolution with God, Guns, Gambling & Tax Cuts. For more of Wayne's > views, commentaries, or to watch his many national media appearances, please > visit ROOTforAmerica. com. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/join (Yahoo! 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