Jay, I love you like a brother, but you still don't understand libertarianism. We will defend ourselves against folks doing stuff to us, we won't do things to other folks. The Zero Aggression Principle is too simple to play in Network News.
-- Ward Griffiths wdg...@comcast.net ----- "Jay P Hailey" <jayphai...@yahoo.com> wrote: > From: "Jay P Hailey" <jayphai...@yahoo.com> > To: LibertarianEnterprise@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2010 8:01:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [LibertarianEnterprise] Re: A question - > > > For example, Michael Jackson hired a Witch Doctor to cast a spell > that > > would harm an enemy. > > It turned out that Witch Doctors cannot actually cast spells that > harm > > people, but Jackson was > > too stupid to know that; he definitely INTENDED to do what he could > to > > harm his enemy by > > Force. He committed, morally, the exact same attempted harm > committed by > > Squeaky Fromm > > and the guy who wanted a hit man; yet he was never punished at all. > > > > Unless you count that he continued to be Michael Jackson as > punishment. > > This is one area where the Libertopian, Free Market Anarchism deal > falls > down - punishment. > > The Libertopian system doesn't punish bad people worth a damn. > > However, if you wiegh the lack of punishment versus the lack of > oppression... I find I am mostly okay with that. > > Curt pointed out and I have to agree - that we have to go by objective > > action and objective results. If we look at the Intent of the NY > times > Bomber, we have to get into everyone's intent. > > And then we wind up proactively arresting people when their actions > show bad > intent > > and we're back into the modern nation state, justifying tyrrany by > saying it > prevents unknown annd unseen bad people from doing hypothetical bad > things. > > -*- > > Ward said Libertopians don't use bombs. I think this is too broad a > statemment. Explosives are still useful for mining and remving tree > stumps. > Stupid people will still think it is a barrel of laughs to blow up > things > other thann stumps and hillsides. > > I think it's a mistake to assume that everyone in libertopia will have > calm, > rational, adult judgement. > > But I do think there's a lower floor of supid past which you're going > to > talk libertopians into killing you. > > But I think people of that calm, rational Adult judgement will ration > out > their force commesurate with the situation. At least I imagine that > this is > so - I have no direct experience of having calm, rational, adult > judgement..... > > Jay ~Meow!~ > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
