On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:00:47 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Travis Pahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in small part:
> 
> >Incrementanlism is okay when you are incrementally going towards your
> >goal.  Allowing police officers to be armed [off duty] while [other]
> citizens still are
> >not is not a step in the right direction.
> 
> Why is it not?  Before the step, X people are allowed to carry guns.  After
> the step, X + N people are allowed to carry guns, where N > 0.  How is that
> not a step in the right direction?

Okay, how about instead of police officers we said, only asians could
use guns.  Would that be an improvement?  N > 0 afterall!  No.  And at
least that would be better than police officers.  At least as a group
asians are not in a position of power that is likely to be abused.
 
> > I useful exercise is to
> >replace the 2nd amendment with the 1st.  If there were restrcition on
> >what you could publish would a good step be allowing certain approved
> >government officials to publish whatever they want?
> 
> Yes, of course.  What would the benefit be of not allowing, say, a letter
> carrier to have a Web log?  You're saying it's better that NOBODY be
> allowed to do something than that SOMEBODY be allowed to do it?

I am only suggesting equal protection under the law.  I think there
was an amendment created about that.  Is it that crazy to not want
government to be granted certain rights while they are denied to
private citizens?

> Travis reminds me of the supposed libertarians who are against allowing
> gov't to operate gambling (such as lotteries) in states where otherwise
> nobody would be allowed to operate those forms of gambling.  They seem to
> think it's better that people who want to gamble have no legal opportunity
> to do so than that they have one legal way to do so.  The trouble is,
> they're focusing on (see the subject line) size of gov't rather than amount
> of freedom.

Government protected monopolies have proven to be bad for freedom.

Travis
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