On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 22:19 -0800, Frank Reichert wrote: > Good evening Bill! > > Bill Anderson wrote to Lowell C. Savage... > > > I went through three airports two years ago twice (three there, three > > back), no problems with mine. Same with my pens, clipboard, and keys. > > Maybe this loses something. I believe, although I might be wrong, > that Mr. Goodman asked me something along the order of losing my > creditibiliy for suggesting we might live in a police state in > America today. > > Do I have that right? I believe I responded to that okay, > although some on this thread seems to wandered around a lot since > then. > > I went through various airports as well two years ago in > returning to Seattle from the Philippines on a 'military > aircraft' from Yokota AFB, Japan. That experience lasted for > hours! Took me down untold flights of stairs before I finally > found my way to the surface to find transportation to the bus > depot enroute to Spokane, Washington! >
Ah yes, the untold flights of stairs manifesto! I, too, have travelled via "MAC hops". I did so over most of my life as both child and then as adult after joining the Army myself. I can not relay a single "pleasant" episode. I can, however, mention multitudes of less than pleasant experiences. Like being literally let off a mid-air refueler (KC-10 Extender IIRC) in the "middle of nowhere". We literally could see no buildings we were so far out. The crew said, and I quote "the front gate s that way. They have a payphone". He then pointed in a specific westerly direction. A suck-azz experience, to say the least. But hardly evocative of a"police state". Tell me, why do you think the police put all those flights of stairs in your way? What makes you think a police state would have need of doing so, or why you think the flights of stairs were put there in the first place? I see nothing in your story that indicates any police state type involvement whatsoever. Would not those flights of stairs been there in a libertarian government? Could it not simply be the stairs were there to provide a means of getting from floor to floor? > So, maybe I might have some personal credibility to suggest we > 'do' live in a police state, Not with the above as an example, you don't. Indeed you demonstrate exactly the problem. I know of *NOBODY* who would view your description as an example of living in a police state. None. Yet you claim it does. The result? Lost credibility. > probably not however, in the same > vein as Nazi Germany had in the 1930s, but very, very close, none > the less. Specifically how? > We still have the Shrub Regime's 'gestapos' in place everywhere, > and that presense is growing exponentially as we speak. We are > being continually 'conditioned' to live under such an > environment. Proof, please. > I'm personally not at war with anyone in the mideast. Are YOU > Bill. Irrelevant, and a red herring at that. > Why? Maybe I might be 'at war' with our own government, and > why US foreign policy has a lot to do with tht we have to live > with in America today. The alleged cause of the alleged existence of a police state is begging the question of the existence of the police state. It's like asking why you beat your wife w/o proving you do first. Look, I've got tons of grievances regarding police-state-like activities and indicators. But 99% of them predate Bush2, and even Clinton. Heck, many if not most predate Reagan even. This causes, IMO, a secondary loss of credibility in that you blame the alleged police state on Bush2 and the "war on (some) terror". Clearly, the vast majority of things one could assign as something that exists under a police state predate both (Bush2 and Wo(s)T). By playing the partisan game and blaming them at the feet of the current president, you lose credibility. It makes you look like a partisan hack/shill. And at a time when people are finally beginning to turn away from such people, it is foolish at best. Cheers, Bill _______________________________________________ Libnw mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List info and subscriber options: http://immosys.com/mailman/listinfo/libnw Archives: http://immosys.com/mailman//pipermail/libnw
