Assuming randomness, you have one chance out of ten that a vote total is a
multiple of 10.  To happen twice would be odds of 1 out of 10 x 10 or 1/100.
To have that happen in the same election as a dead-even tie in one county
would mean multiplying 1/100 by 1/whatever where "whatever" represents the
odds that a dead-even tie could occur.  That gets to be rather daunting
odds.  But you are still talking about 1/something where "something" is
probably a number less than the total number of elections that have been
held in the US.  Like I said, SOMEBODY wins the lottery.  You won the
"electoral lottery."  Woopee.

Lowell C. Savage
It's the freedom, stupid!
Gun control: tyrants' tool, fools' folly.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Frank Reichert
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 9:37 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Freedom vs. Fair Elections
> 
> Good evening again, Lowell!
> 
> Lowell C. Savage wrote to Frank Reichert...
> 
> > Imagine, over 2.7 MILLION (that's 2,7000,000) votes cast for governor in
> WA
> > and the top two vote-getters are separated by something less than 300
> votes.
> > Must be something suspicious going on.  I mean, what are the
> > probabilities....
> 
> Well, perhaps there is a slight difference here, insofar as
> Bonner County came up with an exact tie vote between my two
> opponents, and I received only votes counts in 'blocks of 10'
> from BOTH counties!  I got 280 votes in Boundary County, and a
> total of 810 votes comrpising both counties in the First
> District.  The odds of all of this happening the way it was
> reported to have happened, in both counties, are tremendous.
> 
> Close elections are not necessarily the issue here. It is rather
> the odds of occurrences happening that defy the odds to the point
> where you might imagine someone might want to take a look.  Don't
> know who that 'someone' might be, but I am not a candidate to
> stick my nose into that sordid mess.
> 
> > Uhm.  It's numerically possible, if both candidates receive the same
> number
> > of votes.  It might be statistically unlikely.  However, when you think
> > about the number of elections that have been held in this country, every
> > once in a while you get something like this.  Your election happened to
> be
> > the one.
> 
> That's to put things into perspective mildly.  Again, the odds
> are so profoundly and tremendously inferer to something like this
> ever happening at all, that rational minds might call such into
> serious question.  Again, my issue here isn't whether or not
> there might have been such a 'close election'.  That was expected
> in any case.
> 
> Look. I got even numbers reported from both counties in the
> District. Doesn't that look odd in and of itself?  Not only even
> numbers Lowell, but numbers in blocks of 10!  Now, let's see and
> do the math for a moment. 280 votes exactly from Boundary County,
> and a total of 810 votes combined from BOTH counties.  I probably
> would suggest that things might be okay should the votes had been
> 287 votes in Boundary County, and a total of something like 779
> combined throughout the District!
> 
> But the striking votes were the exact even tie vote in Bonner
> County, which is also next to improbable between my two
> opposition candidates.
> 
> > Think of it this way.  How often does a grocery bill work out to an even
> > dollar amount?
> 
> Twice in a row!!!  Never happened to my knowledge yet anyway!
> 
> > I.e. you finish checking out and the clerk says "That'll be
> > Fourteen dollars, even?" (Can you tell I'm single? :-) What are the
> chances?
> > Well, approximately 1 in 100.  Which means that approximately once every
> > hundred trips to the grocery store, you should get a bill like that.
> And
> > when you do, it isn't because someone is sitting somewhere on a computer
> > deciding that "It's time for Frank to get a bill that is an even dollar
> > amount."
> 
> Maybe you've missed the point I was trying to make here. Hope
> not, but perhaps you have.  BOTH the simultaneous tie in Bonner
> County occurred at the same time that I received two simultaneous
> dead even direct 10 votes in both counties, and all at the same
> time!  Now, factor all of this into your list of probabilities
> and I believe you might conclude that all of this goes far, and
> far beyond any semblance of probabilities.  Once you leave the
> scene of possible probabilities, now you have to deal in the
> possibilities of such occuring in the same space in time.  Now,
> that's where calculating this stuff gets really, really rough!
> 
> I'm not a sore loser either. I already knew I was going to lose
> when I knew I was in a three-way race between a Republican and a
> Democrat. At the same time however, I believe the candidates
> need, deserve or should expect an honest vote count.  I know I
> would have liked to have had an honest vote count.
> 
> I do suspect, that the vote numbers were handled in a 'fast and
> lose' fashion in BOTH counties, although I do not have the
> fortitude to challenge these numbers, since I would certainly not
> come out on top in any case.
> 
> > Someone usually DOES win the lottery, right?  (Or is that some other
> scam
> > where the state hires people to come in and pretend they won just to
> keep
> > interest up?)
> 
> I don't ever play the lottery.
> 
> I didn't expect that political elections might be viewed in such
> a way either. But I'll concede I suppose that some of you might
> view the election process in much the same way. I do not.
> 
> Kindest regards,
> Frank
> 
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