Hello On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:00:14 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Frank Reichert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in small part: > >>> Also, what about the male nurse who rapes a comatose woman? Is it ok if >he >>> uses a condom so she doesn't get pregnant? After all, she can't object. > >>She didn't consent either, did she? > >Nor did the condom, which was as conscious as she was.` And what is the medical basis of this statement. There are many people who have awakened from prolong comas who remember what was happening around them, but had no ability to communicate. Hearing is the last sense to go and the first to come back. How can we assume a comatose person has no hearing... Because the Gods/Doctors said it wasn't so. They just want a big fat paycheck as much as anyone else who can charge the equivalent of $300 a hour, if not more. >>the woman had no way to consent in a >>comatose state. > >But also no way to notice, and therefore no way to be harmed, any more than >the condom had. Wrong again. There simply is no evidence that the woman's being is equal to that of latex. To say so is a terrible statement about our being and our bodies. I have a very fat body. Some day the powers that be, might outlaw obesity. Granted it's a stretch, but it is MY body no matter what, even after my demise. At which point, if I'm a ward of the state I expect the same respect as a family would give me in respecting the person that I was. Does every other piece of flesh have my tattoos, stretch marks, scars and finger prints. Nope. That makes me the INDIVIDUAL that I am. If the orderly was that hard up, hard up he could purchase either a blow up dolly, find some slut that's easy or a pocket pussy for those little urges while on the road. This whole thing is about the sleaziest thing I have read and I'm appalled that anyone ... ANYONE would argue about the criminals rights in this case. Who gives a shit if the victim is comatose.. I DO!!!!!!! God help those that allow this kind of crime to go unpunished under the so called personal rights to screw any piece of meat.. I would think such an act on an animal would have the guy in jail immediately .. It's called cruelty to animals. Is this woman an animal. If so, if your answer is yes... Then she still have the same rights as the lowest form of animal, which right about now.... seems to me to be the humans. >>This is the same argument that might suggest that an absentee >>landlord's land could be violated, stolen, or used without his or >>her own consent, since such landlord wasn't present at the time >>that such property was used or abused. > >I was going to bring up that very example myself, for the opposite opinion. > If someone uses your land without your ever finding out about it, and puts >everything back so you never know the difference, how can you be said to >have been harmed? What are your damages? Damn.. this woman isn't a piece of property. Do you realize by saying so.. or even the analogy, it's the same as saying the government can do anything they want, as long as we don't find out about it. Odd mentality I would think on a Libertarian forum. Against.. I'm an independent who believes in liberty, but has conservative beliefs as well as some beliefs that are considered liberal, so if I say I believe in the bill of rights that was written for the rights of ALL people. With his reasoning, why is the woman taking up bed space for people who need a bed but can't afford it. Twenty bucks says decent insurance. I worked in a couple of nursing homes, one for nearly 10 years as a recreational director. I can't count how many dying people I have sat with in their last minutes, holding their hands and talking to them, even if they weren't apparently aware that I was there. When they stopped breathing, did I stop respecting them? Nope. We cared for their remains and cleaned them all up for the coroner to take away and apply make-up and embalming fluids so the family could say good-bye if they so wished. What of the family of this girl that was raped? If anything, she is theirs and not anyone who has a hard-on with no normal place to put it. What a sick twisted world this has become. >All values are subjective; all subjectivity requires consciousness. Says who???? >In Your Sly Tribe, >Robert Arrrrghhhh Conster the Monster who lays claim to my body in this world and how it will be disposed of. PERIOD. _______________________________________________ Libnw mailing list [email protected] List info and subscriber options: http://immosys.com/mailman/listinfo/libnw Archives: http://immosys.com/mailman//pipermail/libnw
