Frank

> My point was, during the 2004 election, he didn't make that a 
> very clear statement ever, did he?  I doubt if it ever dawned on 
> him to bring this burning issue to light in the Presidential 
> campaign.  Maybe he 'could have' but he didn't.  Why not?

I do not know the mind of Kerry but perhaps, at that stage,
he was not aware of the torture happening.

Was that your point? I saw that you mentioned his historical
past and voting record.

I certainly would have liked a clear anti-torture stance in
the 2004 campaign from both major candidates. Did the
Libertarian candidate talk about the issue at all?

What did the Libertarian candidate say about free trade?
Did he oppose the subsidies to American cotton farmers?


> Well that's good, but it doesn't answer the burning question as 
> to the right of individuals NOT TO BE TORTURED, which I suggest 
> is the one you seemed to start out with in the first place. 
> Right?

Politics is sometimes about hard choices. What exact question
would you like me to address?


> What exactly IS the difference between
> civil, vis-a-vis, human rights?  I don't personally see a
> distinction between the two, not really.  Help me out here.

Civil liberties are things like right to protest.

Human rights are things like not being tortured, food, water,
that kind of thing.

Regards
Tim

Capital City
Michelle: And it's a touchy area, taking an ethical
  position over a client's business

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