On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 00:42 -0600, Lowell C. Savage wrote:

> > >So.  If the LA NG was not sufficient to the task, then it's Bush's fault
> > >that the NG from the other states weren't hot on their heels?
> > 
> > If a lieutenant can't get the job done, isn't it the captain's
> > responsibility to find someone who can?
> 
> Yes.  If the lieutenant is in the captain's chain of command.  I'm sure that
> Bill can clarify this if needed.  If the Lt. is not in the Capt's chain of
> command, the Capt. may have to simply suck it up and deal with it if he
> can't get the Lt.'s chain of command to remove him.

Correct. FrankR could confirm that as well.


> > >From what I've read, Bush pushed Blanco and Nagin for mandatory
> > evacuations -before- the storm hit. After it was apparent that they
> > couldn't get the job done then Bush should have stepped in. Although
> > I'm not sure that's what happened. It may be that Blanco and Nagin
> > were expecting federal help as prescribed in the state's emergency
> > plans, but that the help wasn't forthcoming. Either way, FEMA is doing
> > an absolutely incompetent job, due in part to Bush's slashing of the
> > agency.
> 
> Like I've been trying to tell you.  Bush can NOT "just step in."

He'll never admit it.


> > >> >  Is there anything in there that would allow active-duty
> > >> >military to operate in Louisiana (other than the arrangements for the
> > >> normal
> > >> >operations on or between in-state military bases that are in effect
> > >> during
> > >> >normal times)?  No.
> > >>
> > >> Nor is there anything preventing such activities.
> > >
> > >Only a rather obscure little "Posse Comitatus" Act that specifically does
> > >just that--in the absence of a request from the governor.
> > 
> > 
> > It appears that there was indeed a request, or there wouldn't be an
> > LHA full of Marines docked in the city under the command of the
> > "Federal Joint Task Force Katrina".
> 
> Right.  Finally, after "mother" said "you may."

Turns out the Mayor of New Orleans backed the Governor's opponent last
election.


> > 
> > >> BTW, do you know what Bush was doing while the storm was hitting the
> > >> city? Taking guitar lessons and attending McCain's birthday party.
> > >
> > >When he could have been doing, what?  Twiddling his thumbs waiting for
> > the
> > >storm to pass over NO?
> > 
> > 
> > Twiddling his thumbs would paint a better picture than photos of him
> > having a good ol' time while a significant part of the country was
> > being flushed down the toilet:
> 
> So it matters less what he actually did than how it looks? 

For people just looking to take advantage of a situation to express
unrelated issues, yes.


> > And to respond as quickly as he did after 9/11.
> 
> Uhm.  He responded to 9/11 with significant aid in less than two days?

More vagaries of memory.

> 
> > It would also have been good not to
> > slash FEMA to the bone (and appoint a bone-head to run it).
> 
> You have the figures?

Careful, keep wanting him to report actual data and you'll join me in
the alleged killfile. ;)

> And here's some more interesting info (including Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, chief
> of the Corps, saying that the marsh-restoration would not have done much to
> diminish Katrina's storm surge.
> 
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/07/AR2005090702
> 462.html

Right, because the surge is lessened by having land between you and it.

> 
> > It's going to be an interesting winter.
> 
> Yup.  What nature hasn't wrecked, the lawyers will finish off.

Quite likely. But anything they miss the fedgov will finish off.

--
Random Fortune of the moment:
Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny.

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