1. Great idea on adding libraries! I know who I want to ask about this when I get back from vacation.
How about a policy proposal to go along with this that all libraries are notable, and deserve articles? That provides an incentive for cooperation. 2. As a librarian, I allow 20 min. to verify a fact, not 2 minutes. It can take an hour or more to cross check against different sources, especially if you are in an unfamiliar content area where you don't know the sources. One of the strengths of Wikipedia is that you can take the time you need to get things right. Some facts are very quick, and others are a labor of love. You can't always tell which is which beforehand. 3. If you want librarians to cooperate with the plan of thousands of individuals adding facts on the job, I'd suggest working for a less toxic editing environment on the site. In real life, librarians get to ask patrons to leave when their conduct is unacceptable. By contrast, on Wikipedia, the people who make requests for more civilized behavior can be the ones who are asked to leave. It may be acceptable to recruit people to work for free in a social club known for off color language, heated arguments, and verbal abuse, but that is because volunteers are free to leave. Accepting this sort of poor treatment as a condition of employment is another matter altogether. We librarians in the U.S. can all thank the public employees' unions for sticking up for decent working conditions for librarians all these years. --Kristin Librarian, and former union steward On Tuesday, June 30, 2015, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Libraries mailing list submissions to > [email protected] <javascript:;> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] <javascript:;> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] <javascript:;> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Libraries digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [Wikidata] How can Wikidata get over 30, 000, 000 facts > added a year ? (Proffitt,Merrilee) > 2. Re: [Wikidata] How can Wikidata get over 30, 000, 000 facts > added a year ? (Andrea Zanni) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:30:44 +0000 > From: "Proffitt,Merrilee" <[email protected] <javascript:;>> > To: Wikimedia & Libraries <[email protected] <javascript:;>>, > "Discussion > list for the Wikidata project." <[email protected] > <javascript:;>> > Subject: Re: [libraries] [Wikidata] How can Wikidata get over 30, 000, > 000 facts added a year ? > Message-ID: > < > by1pr0601mb1096e7012242c1a4b9ee4e1db0...@by1pr0601mb1096.namprd06.prod.outlook.com > <javascript:;>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi there, > > Imagine my delight that you are creating a list of all the libraries in > the world! However this does present a bit of an issue – are all libraries > notable? The American Library Association estimates that there are around > 120,000 libraries but doesn’t have an exact number because there is not a > survey that covers all of them. Since librarians are discouraged from > creating articles about their own institutions, this could be problematic? > If this is an initiative that has broad approval I’m happy to help in any > way that I can! > > http://www.ala.org/tools/libfactsheets/alalibraryfactsheet01 > > Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer > OCLC Research > > From: [email protected] <javascript:;> [mailto: > [email protected] <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Emilio > J. Rodríguez-Posada > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:41 AM > To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project.; Wikimedia & Libraries > Subject: Re: [libraries] [Wikidata] How can Wikidata get over 30, 000, 000 > facts added a year ? > > 2015-06-23 9:00 GMT+02:00 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada <[email protected] > <javascript:;><mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>>: > 2015-06-23 8:49 GMT+02:00 Lucian Velea <[email protected] > <javascript:;><mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>>: > Great idea. Does anyone know a statistics of number of libraries / > librarians by country? > > I compiled some numbers here > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Libraries > And started a list of lists that needs to be completed > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_libraries_by_country > > > Is anyone interested in contacting national libraries/culture ministries > so they can provide info about all the libraries for each country? > I have been working in Lists of museums/archives/libraries by country long > time, but I only find partial lists and the work is slow. How can we make > these institutions get involved? > > > All the best, > Lucian > > > On 23.06.2015 9:14, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > That is only librarians in the USA.. Why not think big? There is a world > out there !! > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 23 June 2015 at 05:51, Thad Guidry <[email protected] <javascript:;> > <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>> wrote: > If 1 librarian in the USA added one fact or verified / qualified it per > work day in their spare 2 mins a day. > > > 119,729 Libraries in USA > x > 1 Librarian minimum per Library with internet access...mostly :-) > x > 251 work days in a year > = > 30,051,979 MILLION facts that could be added or verified > > Get the word out, > Thad > +ThadGuidry<https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > [email protected] <javascript:;><mailto: > [email protected] <javascript:;>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikidata mailing list > > [email protected] <javascript:;><mailto: > [email protected] <javascript:;>> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > [email protected] <javascript:;><mailto: > [email protected] <javascript:;>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/libraries/attachments/20150630/39a66a8c/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:53:12 +0200 > From: Andrea Zanni <[email protected] <javascript:;>> > To: "Wikimedia & Libraries" <[email protected] <javascript:;>>, > Federico > Leva <[email protected] <javascript:;>>, Cristian > Consonni > <[email protected] <javascript:;>> > Cc: "Discussion list for the Wikidata project." > <[email protected] <javascript:;>> > Subject: Re: [libraries] [Wikidata] How can Wikidata get over 30, 000, > 000 facts added a year ? > Message-ID: > <CAC= > [email protected] > <javascript:;>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello everyone. > > For Italian libraries, you can find a good csv here: > http://opendata.anagrafe.iccu.sbn.it/territorio.zip > > Cristian Consonni also had a project of importing all of them on > OpenStreetMap: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RCantoroBot/Anagrafe_delle_biblioteche_italiane/Import_plan > (I think the project is frozen though). > > In Italy we are working a lot with libraries and librarians, but I think it > needs a cultural (so, looong) approach: > we are doing workshops, editathons, lectues on Wikipedia, Wikisource, > Wikidata too. > > They are very interested in Wikidata, but it scares them a little (RDF, > linked open data, knowledge base are scary words for most people). > > I very much like the "gaming" approach of Magnus's tools, as it can be a > bridge in teaching librarians how to cope with wikidata with things they > understand better. For example, here's the Mix 'n' match tool for > reconciling authors from the National Authority Control and Wikidata: > > http://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/?mode=random&catalog=58&submode=unmatched# > > We are collaborating directly with the National Library of Florence, too. > > Finally, in Google Summer of Code 2014 Amanpreet Singh worked on a project > for annotating books and get the annotate "statement" directly on Wikidata: > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_annotation_tool/project_completion_report > The idea is that you could read the web, than find a "fact", and then > highlight it and get a statement that gets feeded on Wikidata. > > Unfortunately, I think that project has been abandoned too (but it seems > that the code works). > > IMHO, that would be very useful for librarians and not: as you read you can > populate Wikidata. > > Aubrey > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Proffitt,Merrilee <[email protected] > <javascript:;>> > wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > Imagine my delight that you are creating a list of all the libraries in > > the world! However this does present a bit of an issue – are all > libraries > > notable? The American Library Association estimates that there are around > > 120,000 libraries but doesn’t have an exact number because there is not a > > survey that covers all of them. Since librarians are discouraged from > > creating articles about their own institutions, this could be > problematic? > > If this is an initiative that has broad approval I’m happy to help in any > > way that I can! > > > > > > > > http://www.ala.org/tools/libfactsheets/alalibraryfactsheet01 > > > > > > > > Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer > > OCLC Research > > > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] <javascript:;> [mailto: > > [email protected] <javascript:;>] *On Behalf Of > *Emilio J. > > Rodríguez-Posada > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:41 AM > > *To:* Discussion list for the Wikidata project.; Wikimedia & Libraries > > *Subject:* Re: [libraries] [Wikidata] How can Wikidata get over 30, 000, > > 000 facts added a year ? > > > > > > > > 2015-06-23 9:00 GMT+02:00 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada <[email protected] > <javascript:;>>: > > > > 2015-06-23 8:49 GMT+02:00 Lucian Velea <[email protected] > <javascript:;>>: > > > > Great idea. Does anyone know a statistics of number of libraries / > > librarians by country? > > > > > > > > I compiled some numbers here > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Libraries > > > > And started a list of lists that needs to be completed > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_libraries_by_country > > > > > > > > Is anyone interested in contacting national libraries/culture ministries > > so they can provide info about all the libraries for each country? > > > > I have been working in Lists of museums/archives/libraries by country > long > > time, but I only find partial lists and the work is slow. How can we make > > these institutions get involved? > > > > > > > > > > All the best, > > Lucian > > > > > > > > On 23.06.2015 9:14, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > > > Hoi, > > > > That is only librarians in the USA.. Why not think big? There is a world > > out there !! > > > > Thanks, > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > On 23 June 2015 at 05:51, Thad Guidry <[email protected] > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > If 1 librarian in the USA added one fact or verified / qualified it per > > work day in their spare 2 mins a day. > > > > > > > > > > > > 119,729 Libraries in USA > > > > x > > > > 1 Librarian minimum per Library with internet access...mostly :-) > > > > x > > > > 251 work days in a year > > > > = > > > > 30,051,979 MILLION facts that could be added or verified > > > > > > > > Get the word out, > > > > Thad > > > > +ThadGuidry <https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikidata mailing list > > [email protected] <javascript:;> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikidata mailing list > > > > [email protected] <javascript:;> > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikidata mailing list > > [email protected] <javascript:;> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Libraries mailing list > > [email protected] <javascript:;> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/libraries/attachments/20150630/bcb88a69/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Libraries mailing list > [email protected] <javascript:;> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries > > > End of Libraries Digest, Vol 39, Issue 3 > **************************************** >
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