Jae, This is /NOT/ a list simply for technical issues, and I would venture that most of the people on the list would prefer to talk about issues directly affecting children, schools, and families. Perhaps because many people come from a technical background it is easy to fall into those discussions.
Can you say a bit more about what would be "more clinical and culture-sensitive" topics to discuss? SJ ps - Javier, thank you for your email below... it gives food for thought On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 6:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was worried too... because I love tech stuff... but AT THE SAME TIME I > am interested > in talking (deep interest) in talking about 3rd world children and families. > > The reason why we need to discuss the social issues is (well... my > reasons!): > a) I live in Peru, working on computers 25 (or more) years. I have seen > previous ideas similar to OLPC (named "Huascaran"). They fail in the > long run. > b) This XO/OLPC opportunity can be revolutionary IF, and only if, survive. > c) We, the people, can make this survival happens. We have the power, > the energy, the knowledge to keep the wheels moving, even if there is > political or economical changes. > d) This is a big opportunity to help people, to train people (not us, > techies that have enough time in hands and a free spirit... I am talking > about helping a little boy in the andes to become the next great > doctor... or to help another one to GET FOOD on the table because he > learn (on the XO/OLPC/INTERNET/SchoolServer) that the he can not grow > trouts at 13,000 feet altitude and think they (the trouts) will produce > the same than in Europe or US at 3,000 feete altitud... or he/she learn > that their sheep can be saved from this or that sickness with this or > that vaccine or health measure... or he/she (the kid) help the father > telling that theres is a better price for their potatos and carrots in > this or that town... or that this or that exporter contact them to buy > they knittings... etc. etc.. > e) Because, at the same time, all this kids deserver FOOD on the table, > HEALTH, OPPORTUNITIES, and ... they need to feed their souls and culture > keeping records of their songs, language, adventures, knowledge, history. > f) ... more... These kids (here in Peru were I am located, and where the > first 40,000 XOs have arrived... becoming the biggest XOs deployment in > this moment?) ... these kids deserve to know some parts of the > occidental culture... and read an american tale like Tom Sawyer (I liked > when I was 11!... but you change what "occidental" books and materials > you like when young and would like to share with andean children). > > g) Because the ANDEAN culture is totally different than occidental culture. > h) Because all these andean towns are THE SAME than in year 1821: same > food, same cloth, same health, same business, same domination schemes, > same poverty, same violence, and SAME way to avoid all this: smile, and > let the "gringos" go out of town.. then they get a meeting (with no > foreigners) and then the real talking starts leaded by the men but with > key woman participation. > > All this things happens in the remote villages AND, in some measure, in > the nearer towns. Further you travel... bigger problems and bigger > differences. > > And.. finally... Peru has BIG jungles.. our andean peasants are "near" > to the coast (1 or 2 days by car) but the small communities in the > peruvian jungle.. most of them are so isolated that they are 2 or 3 days > in boat (following the sense of the river) (no roads, no way to walk in > the jungle, you need to move? go to the river with your canoe! just the > rivers!)... and 7 to 8 days away when you need to come back (against the > sense of the river). Those kids can not be forgotten. There are > enough XOs for all. But we need to realize that there will be need to > develop an "Internet" system that works for that enviroment (no > school..a jungle village with 100 kids with no school... well... in some > cases theres is a "school" but the teacher just come 1 day by week). > Are we going to forget those kids? Isolated they are, isolated they will > be? WE, all, have the power to help. > > Ok, enough.... > > Jae, don't quit. Maybe ASK the administrator to open ANOTHER list: > social issues , discussion about social deployment, etc. > > Regards, > > Javier Rodriguez > Lima, Peru > > > jae kim wrote: > > I am disabling this list until the discussion becomes narrow toward > > helping 3rd world children and family in real term, hopefully > > more clinical and culture-sensitive. I had enough with tech-dominated > > discussion. > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 5:35 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Send Library mailing list submissions to > >> [email protected] > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/library > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Library digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: HealthJamSeattle (Seth Woodworth) > >> 2. Re: HealthJamSeattle (drew einhorn) > >> 3. Re: HealthJamSeattle (drew einhorn) > >> 4. unsubscribe (David Garcia) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:02:30 -0800 > >> From: "Seth Woodworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: [OLPC library] HealthJamSeattle > >> To: "Mel Chua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Cc: library <[email protected]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Message-ID: > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> Mel, as far as I can tell you *do* stay up this late :P > >> > >> Yes, the event will be 18-20th, so our traveling hackers can hit LFNW and > >> then leave the state. > >> > >> That being said, I think there is likely enough interest to have a > >> specifically WorldVistA meetup happen? It's not impossible. > >> > >> I've been talking to UW constantly for the past two days, so it's likely > >> I'll have something concrete soon. > >> > >> Seth > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Mel Chua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > I'm almost positive the date *will *be April 18-20, or extremely > close to > >> > those dates. (Seth, can you confirm?) Seth, Iain, myself, and several > others > >> > are presenting at LinuxFest Northwest in Bellingham the weekend after, > and I > >> > fly back to Boston for the Cambridge Science Festival the weekend > after that > >> > (yep, 3 hackathons in a row; the 4th weekend I'll probably sleep.) If > those > >> > dates don't work out for you, Drew, we can plan additional > get-togethers in > >> > the Seattle area around that time... ;-) (No, seriously, if you're > >> > interested, we can.) > >> > > >> > The stuff on the talk page is usually a very drafty, tentative > discussion > >> > of details for the main page that haven't been worked out yet, so I > >> > personally wouldn't move it - but I've put a blurb on [[Talk:Health > Jam]] to > >> > the effect of "this is a talk page, and everything here is under > discussion > >> > and may not be final!" or somesuch. (It's not particularly well > written, as > >> > it's 4:30am and I'm starting to fade for the night - attempts to > improve it > >> > would be appreciated.) > >> > > >> > -Mel (recovering from the aftermath of an imap inbox loss, and > elbow-deep > >> > in javascript - I don't always stay up this late) > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 7:49 PM, drew einhorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > Ah, I was looking at the main page instead of the talk page, since it > >> > > had some dated Seattle specific notes. > >> > > > >> > > The main page said it was Apr 18-20, but the Talk page says May 2-4, > >> > > which would be much more convenient for us. > >> > > > >> > > I'd suggest moving the Talk page to HealthJamSeattle to give it a bit > >> > > more visibility but mark it as tentative. Especially the dates, > until we > >> > > have the space reservation confirmed. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Mel Chua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > These are all great suggestions! Can you add them to [[Talk:Health > >> > > > Jam]]? > >> > > > > >> > > > Seth is currently working on getting absolute 100% confirmation > about > >> > > > our location - it's asympotically being settled, but we want to > make sure we > >> > > > have rooms solidly reserved, that all the necessary administrative > people > >> > > > have been informed, etc. before throwing the doors wide open. I've > updated > >> > > > the wiki page [[Health Jam]] with a note to that effect. > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks for the ping! > >> > > > > >> > > > -Mel > >> > > > > >> > > > On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:35 AM, drew einhorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > Another track/strand I'd like to see is on curating the wiki. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Let's study examples such as the Human Interface Guidelines. > >> > > > > The Templates that support these examples. > >> > > > > The MediaWiki Bots that groom them. Up and Down load them, etc. > >> > > > > Semantic MediaWiki > >> > > > > Transcluding, > >> > > > > etc. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I've been been looking at other folks wiki pages, > >> > > > > studying how the did things, > >> > > > > and putting it all together in my own wiki pages > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I still have a lot to learn. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:08 PM, drew einhorn < > >> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > One thing I'd like to see at a HealthJam or BarCamp is a > >> > > > > > track/strand on: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > What's different about the way medicine is practiced in the > >> > > > > > countries we serve? > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > What impact does this have on the electronic medical record > >> > > > > > systems that support the practice of medicine? > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > What will we have to do to meet these different needs? > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 10:36 PM, drew einhorn < > >> > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > What's up? > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > The stub at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Health_Jam says: > >> > > > > > > "Registration is not yet open at this time. We expect it to > open on or > >> > > > > > > before the first day of March 2008." > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hope it's just a bit behind schedule and not off the track. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'm sending this to both the library and health lists. It's > >> > > > > > > probably more appropriate for the health list, but there > aren't very many > >> > > > > > > folks over there yet. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -- > >> > > > > > > Drew Einhorn > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > -- > >> > > > > > Drew Einhorn > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > -- > >> > > > > Drew Einhorn > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > > Library mailing list > >> > > > > [email protected] > >> > > > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/library > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Drew Einhorn > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: > http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/library/attachments/20080304/a140b5d4/attachment-0001.htm > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:39:10 -0700 > >> From: "drew einhorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: [OLPC library] HealthJamSeattle > >> To: "Mel Chua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Cc: library <[email protected]>, Larry Landis > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Frederick D. S > >> Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Message-ID: > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> Joseph, > >> > >> Do you think you could get us some WHO folk to talk on: How is the > >> practice of medicine different in the 3rd World. And what do wee nned > to do > >> to support those differences. > >> > >> Everybody, > >> See below > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Mel Chua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > I'm almost positive the date *will *be April 18-20, or extremely > close to > >> > those dates. (Seth, can you confirm?) Seth, Iain, myself, and several > others > >> > are presenting at LinuxFest Northwest in Bellingham the weekend after, > and I > >> > fly back to Boston for the Cambridge Science Festival the weekend > after that > >> > (yep, 3 hackathons in a row; the 4th weekend I'll probably sleep.) If > those > >> > dates don't work out for you, Drew, we can plan additional > get-togethers in > >> > the Seattle area around that time... ;-) (No, seriously, if you're > >> > interested, we can.) > >> > > >> > >> We have been thinking of hosting something closer to home in New Mexico. > >> Larry is in Las Cruces, and I am just outside Albuquerque. But it may be > >> better to do something as a side show at a larger conference where a > >> community we want to work with is already meeting. Have to be careful. > >> Don't think I want all my proposals to be accepted at the same event. > Won't > >> have time to attend them all. Going to go add two more strand > suggestions > >> to the Talk page. > >> > >> > >> > The stuff on the talk page is usually a very drafty, tentative > discussion > >> > of details for the main page that haven't been worked out yet, so I > >> > personally wouldn't move it - but I've put a blurb on [[Talk:Health > Jam]] to > >> > the effect of "this is a talk page, and everything here is under > discussion > >> > and may not be final!" or somesuch. (It's not particularly well > written, as > >> > it's 4:30am and I'm starting to fade for the night - attempts to > improve it > >> > would be appreciated.) > >> > > >> > >> Think we should move the HealthJam page to HealthJamSeattle and make the > >> HealthJam page more generic, remove the Seattle details. > >> > >> -- > >> Drew Einhorn > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: > http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/library/attachments/20080304/de0f8210/attachment-0001.htm > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:45:58 -0700 > >> From: "drew einhorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: [OLPC library] HealthJamSeattle > >> To: "Mel Chua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Cc: library <[email protected]>, Larry Landis > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Frederick D. S > >> Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Message-ID: > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 12:39 PM, drew einhorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Joseph, > >> > > >> > Do you think you could get us some WHO folk to talk on: How is > the > >> > practice of medicine different in the 3rd World. And what do wee nned > to do > >> > to support those differences. > >> > > >> > Everybody, > >> > See below > >> > > >> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 2:27 AM, Mel Chua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > I'm almost positive the date *will *be April 18-20, or extremely > close > >> > > to those dates. (Seth, can you confirm?) Seth, Iain, myself, and > several > >> > > others are presenting at LinuxFest Northwest in Bellingham the > weekend > >> > > after, and I fly back to Boston for the Cambridge Science Festival > the > >> > > weekend after that (yep, 3 hackathons in a row; the 4th weekend I'll > >> > > probably sleep.) If those dates don't work out for you, Drew, we can > plan > >> > > additional get-togethers in the Seattle area around that time... ;-) > (No, > >> > > seriously, if you're interested, we can.) > >> > > > >> > > >> > We have been thinking of hosting something closer to home in New > Mexico. > >> > Larry is in Las Cruces, and I am just outside Albuquerque. But it may > be > >> > better to do something as a side show at a larger conference where a > >> > community we want to work with is already meeting. Have to be careful. > >> > Don't think I want all my proposals to be accepted at the same event. > Won't > >> > have time to attend them all. Going to go add two more strand > suggestions > >> > to the Talk page. > >> > > >> > > >> > > The stuff on the talk page is usually a very drafty, tentative > >> > > discussion of details for the main page that haven't been worked out > yet, so > >> > > I personally wouldn't move it - but I've put a blurb on > [[Talk:Health Jam]] > >> > > to the effect of "this is a talk page, and everything here is under > >> > > discussion and may not be final!" or somesuch. (It's not > particularly well > >> > > written, as it's 4:30am and I'm starting to fade for the night - > attempts to > >> > > improve it would be appreciated.) > >> > > > >> > > >> > Think we should move the HealthJam page to HealthJamSeattle and make > the > >> > HealthJam page more generic, remove the Seattle details. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Drew Einhorn > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Drew Einhorn > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: > http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/library/attachments/20080304/3a56587e/attachment-0001.htm > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 4 > >> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:35:34 -0700 > >> From: David Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: [OLPC library] unsubscribe > >> To: [email protected] > >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> > >> > >> > >> David Garcia > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Creative Driector > >> > >> This communication and any files or attachments transmitted with it > >> may contain information that is confidential, privileged and exempt > >> from disclosure under applicable law. It is intended solely for the > >> use of the individual or the entity to which it is addressed. If you > >> are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, > >> dissemination, or copying of this communication is strictly > >> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > >> notify us at once so that we may take the appropriate action. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: > http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/library/attachments/20080304/572f10a3/attachment.htm > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Library mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/library > >> > >> > >> End of Library Digest, Vol 12, Issue 4 > >> ************************************** > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Library mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/library > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Library mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/library > _______________________________________________ Library mailing list [email protected] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/library
