It is interesting to know we can build a free world with free knowledge and free techonology but we must be payed for it because we want to work in things we love to be a happy person with our happy family, we want to love our work, we want don't spend our time working in things we don't love.
If we trust in Planetary project it can give us a real lovely job. Only we must decide what is the better way to get money and other resources with it so quickly as possible. While, all the people who wants to job on it must put in a list how many hours spend in Planetary and what we do in this time. When Planetary will be profitable all of us must be payed. Only we must decide what is the hour price. That's all. Go ahead with Planetary from Senegal is a oportunity for all the people involved on it and it would be great for Senegal, like Ubuntu is for South Africa, but there is a difference betwwen Ubuntu and us and all we can develope from Planetary, we are the full owners. Sooooooo, ¿who wants to develope Planetary Universe? thanks for your time manukle* ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: manukleart <[email protected]> Date: 2015-04-04 11:33 GMT+02:00 Subject: Re: [DakarLUG] Hello from Barcelona .... To: La liste de discussion autour de Logiciels Libres à Dakar < [email protected]> *This info is relevant to do a correct Planetary. Let's go to do our own social network, Planetary, from Senegal?* *From Free Softwasre Foundation* *This guest post was submitted by Daniel Dianes, a Spanish free software activist. A Spanish language version of the post is coming soon.* The cancellation or temporary suspension of various Spanish Twitter accounts has led to a huge migration of Spaniards to GNU social, a microblogging service designed to foster user freedom and control. This is an exciting win for federated online services. Unlike Twitter, which is controlled by a centralized authority, GNU social <https://www.gnu.org/software/social> is a network of independent servers called nodes. Federation technology allows users to communicate between nodes, preserving the unified experience of traditional social media systems, and the free GNU social software allows anybody with an Internet connection to start their own public or private node and join the network. These administrators can even customize their nodes to suit the unique needs of their users. Since GNU social is decentralized, it's harder for a company or government to censor content or shut down the network when they feel threatened by it. This is more than a hypothetical threat—it has been attempted multiple times by oppressive governments. Spreading out user data also makes bulk surveillance considerably more difficult, as there is no single database to crack into and copy. Twitter user @Barbijaputa is popular in Spain, with more than 167,000 followers. She's known for criticizing the government or any other political parties or groups of power. On January 14th, Twitter suspended @Barbijaputa's account after she participated in a conversation about sexually transmitted diseases. The next day, she created a profile on GNU social node Quitter.se <https://quitter.se/> and started posting. Her Twitter followers proved willing to follow her all the way to GNU social, and began joining existing nodes en masse and starting their own. The growth was so explosive that the some of the existing GNU social nodes were unable to handle the traffic. On January 15th, a Quitter administrator posted this note: "Due to high traffic, I need to stop the registrations for some time to get back in control. Has been a crazy day (15.01.15) on quitter.no and .is - -regards @knuthollund" The node Quitter.es <https://quitter.es/> (Quitter Spain) was created to handle some of the extra people that overloaded existing GNU social instances like Quitter.no <https://quitter.no/> and Quitter.is <https://quitter.is/>. Quitter Spain now has 6,667 users and counting and Quitter.se reports 4,982 users, due in part to the incoming Spanish users. GNU social is not the only federated social network challenging the centralized status quo. GNU MediaGoblin <http://mediagoblin.org/> lets users publish images, videos, 3D models, and other files, Diaspora* <https://diasporafoundation.org/> provides a Facebook-like experience and pump.io is another option for microblogging. The Free Software Foundation runs a GNU social node at https://status.fsf.org. Get started with GNU social today by picking from this list of nodes <https://gnu.io/social/try>, and follow the Free Software Foundation at @fsf <https://status.fsf.org/fsf>. Or try pump.io <http://pump.io/tryit.html>, and follow the FSF account @fsf <https://microca.st/fsf> there. Even if you don't have as many followers as @Barbijaputa, encourage them to follow you! Daniel Dianes, FSF member #9171 2015-04-01 18:38 GMT+02:00 MANUKLEART.COM Arte en Márketing < [email protected]>: > Thanks Lamine Ba, yes it is not a constructive opinion from Pape, but it > has their reasons to say that. I don't understand all his post at all but > it is negative. > > Only i am in thanks with pape about his vision Why not i cooperatew with > local projects, and i am agree to cooperate with anyone in the world, in > fact i try to cooperate with local people with Planetary. > > I put all on the table to get your feedback to advance on int if you are > agree. > > It is a very simple idea, really if the world start again Planetary must > be, in my opinion, the base of all, the really good approach, the real > democracy, beacuse all the human activities have consecuences to the rest > of Planet, by this way, we must to give a equal grade to eachone in this > planet, persons, nature (animals, plants, environments), workers and > companies, this is the real democracy, and by this way we can get a better > place, The Planet Earth, to live better for generations, each generation > better. Really the society needs education. It is a work for 4 or 55 > generations at least, but it must be started for anyone. > > This project has many good things and perspectives, it is a real education > and formation tool among others intrinsec business oportunity, only when > people knows a animal o r a plant or a environment or ... must be equal > than us, the things will be going to change. > > So, Facebook and the others, do you think they are free? they live with > the money they get of our products, services, activites and contains we > post for free and they don't return nothing, only a service “for free”. > > How we can change it? making the first social network who belongs to us, > to the Planetary members, first making a base to start, and then step by > step taking the best of all of this private social networks to implement in > Planetary, developed by free software global community. That's it. But we > must started like a serious team, Senegal team. > > The first step, i told you, and i need feedback too on this, how we can do > a association, The Planetary Club in Senegal? and a cooperative called for > example Bidu Lamp?, but if you have a cooperative have made we can go ahead > with it . To do a association is very easy and don't need many money. And > it is not difficult to do a cooperative too. > > *Domains and server provider:* > > Other thing is to get a new server to start our business toguether, for > Association, for cooperative and for each one of us. About domains and > server property i can change the adress for a senegal adress and the fiscal > id company (here in Spain is called cif) of The Planetary Club in Senegal. > About what law affect to our server? Spanish law, because OVH is in Spain, > at the moment is the best chance, but Spain in the future is going to be > more restricted about internet, will se, at the moment is ok. But if you > have a better provider than this ….. > > + Domains, www.ovh.es (planetary.be is inside ovh) > https://www.ovh.es/dominios/precios/ (check price list) > > + Communal server, kimsufi, i think we can start with KS-3, but if we > think for 5€ more is better KS-4 .... > https://www.kimsufi.com/fr/index.xml > http://www.kimsufi.com/es/ (cross ovh) > > *About what is the correct way to build our social network i propose two > ways like first step but not like definitively:* > > + Regency Theme > > ( i think it has an amazing design and incrediible and good features, but > the client attention is a shit, and i try to fix some problems but i need > help, anyway, when they sell a part of Theme we have the full, i think it > could be great to take this theme and modify from ourselves, for our social > network, .... or may be (you are the experts it is not the way) > > http://www.jackborn.net > > http://themeforest.net/item/regency-a-beautiful-modern-ecommerce-theme/9222795 > > + X2 Theme > http://www.planetari.be (here is x2free ttheme, you can see a very basic > social network because i don't have more knowledge about css3 or html5 or > ... and i don't know how implement well some wordpress plugins and other > plugins/programs outisde of wordpress as well) (could be other possibility) > http://themekraft.com/store/x2-free-wordpress-theme/ > > + May be you think start with wordpress, woocommerce and buddypress is a > shit, please what is your opinion about it and how do you start it? > > *About other social networks like references:* > > + pump.io: it is based in node.js. it is in developing, but it has very > beauty news like social networks federating by this way it is used by > https://identi.ca/ and many others. To know more about it > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump.io. Why this very simple social network > can't be more used than Facebook orr others? Because the others have > marketing strategies implemmented and a commeciaal lenguage who all > unsdentand and because people don't want to learn new software and many > other pages, people are very bussy in their lives and very bussy in their > heads, similar porblem about why microsoft is the most used operating > system right now despite all the efforts of the free software movement. > Facebook is a app too, etc, etc. > > + https://n-1.cc/: it is a alternative social network based in elgg. To > know more about it http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgg_%28software%29. Elgg > and this social network n-1 was dissapointed for FSF and free software > communtiy but it has a hole, a back door. Anyway it is a good work about > some fetures we can use. I know this people and cooperative movement behind > personally. They have a lot of things we can use for Senegal better > development. But they use a language people give fear, only you must see > their slogan:¡Redes sociales del pueblo y para el pueblo! Porque "las > herramientas del amo nunca desmontarán la casa del amo", this means Social > networks of people and for the people! Because "the tools of master never > dismantle the master's house". > > + the rest: google+, linkedin, mixcloud, soundcloud, trip advisor, vimeo, > youtube, ......... > > *Conclussion:* > (we have many things the other no have) > > + a very good name for a global social network. Planetary > > + the best domain we can get planetary.be > > + the best structure based in partners and associateds. > > + the best slogan and the reason to reach the Heart of people > Do you want to Be Planetary? beplanetary.com for a viral campaign. > > + it is the first social network who belongs to their members > > + it is not a social network only, it is educational too. > > + it is a open bussiness social network too. People can win money, > resources and other advantages the others no offer. People can get their > own self managed self-employment among others. > > + All is possible to implement on it, by this way is a planetary movement. > > + It is based in free software. > > + It would be ok if we develope all of our projects inside a natural > protected area like a natural reserve or something like that but it is not > neccesary. > > + Among others ...... > > + Don't need any registration (i don't know how we can get it but it is > necessary stop/dissable the initial registration, people are sick about > registration for this site and the other. Only we can ask their > registration when it is neccesary by law, and at this point i don't know > how is the Senegal Law about. I think to start Planetary in Senegal is a > very good advantage than other countries, i don't know, by this way i told > you we can organize in next structure ...... > > > > *Our Company:*+ Association: like the owner of the project > + Cooperative: like the manager of the project. > + Structure (in both cases): > > * Administration > > * Design > > * Formation > > * IT, Computing > > * Márketing > > *Communal tools to speak and to work toguether:* > > + DakarLUG > > + Personal emails, mine are [email protected] but i have others. > > + irc > > + pidgin > > + etherpad > > *My personal trade is manukleart. My nickname is manukle. My name is manu. > I am at your service.* > > So. to start i think we must know who wants to do this project, and at > least we need a IT manager to manage the team, i am a ecomárketing man > only. Ecomárketing is free márketing, my knowledge go from creativity to > doing webs, shops online, networks, community manager, sales man, artists, > representation and management, events designer, producer and many more. I > have some ideas to get more resources to go more quickly with our projects > but step by step. If we develope this project for sure Senegal grow up a > lot and a lot of synergies from a lot of parts of the world will arrive to > Senegal. > > *Thanks DakarLUG, Dakar, Senegal for hear me.* > > > > > > > 2015-04-01 15:20 GMT+02:00 Lamine Ba <[email protected]>: > >> I only meant that Pape was player hating in his last msg. (Look it up on >> google if you do not understand what it means). If your project succeeds, >> it can only benefit the community. Best of luck with your project. >> >> Salute >> On Apr 1, 2015 12:11 PM, "MANUKLEART.COM Arte en Márketing" < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> hi again, what are you mean Lamine Ba?, nice to meet you >>> >>> can you explain it please, i don't understand you. >>> >>> I finally understand more Pape, but not at all. >>> >>> I am agree to involve in local projcts from ohers, why not? >>> >>> But my ideas are non lucrative to expand a dignified job and then a >>> dignified life for all the people can be possible. >>> >>> I am not Pape says, if you can explain us from where you can get this >>> conclussions from my texts ... >>> >>> Only i want to contribute and make good ideas a reality >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> 2015-04-01 13:08 GMT+02:00 Lamine Ba <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> Player hater! :) >>>> On Mar 31, 2015 10:09 PM, "pape" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> N'importe quoi tout ça. Engagez vous, rengagez vous qui disait... >>>>> Combien d'entre vous ont déjà été appelé à participer aux projets locaux >>>>> du >>>>> groupe et on répondu présent jusqu'au bout? Combien de start-ups sont nées >>>>> du lug à partir d'initiatives locale? Il suffit qu'un JeanMarc débarque et >>>>> hop voilà de la main d’œuvre dispo et prête à dire oui chef. >>>>> >>>>> Comptez les labs présents au sénégal et trouvez presque toujours une >>>>> casquette blanche à la tête. Jusqu'à quand va t-on encore laisser une >>>>> bande >>>>> d'envahisseurs numérique nous guider à remplir notre propre gap numérique >>>>> pour en retour les enrichir ? >>>>> >>>>> 2015-03-31 21:23 GMT+00:00 MANUKLEART.COM Arte en Márketing < >>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> Clarification >>>>>> >>>>>> We can organice in five areas: Administration; Design; IT, Computing >>>>>> (software, hardware, telecom); Márketing, and in a short future >>>>>> Formation. >>>>>> >>>>>> We need to do a professional job, it is needed a project admin >>>>>> manager who knows how organice a team in each project we decide to do. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2015-03-31 23:01 GMT+02:00 MANUKLEART.COM Arte en Márketing < >>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi again: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i think in my email before i explain all the project, i give you >>>>>>> some links to better understanding and some questions about how we can >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> a association and a cooperative and while we can get a new dedicated >>>>>>> server >>>>>>> of our own to make it a rentable business for association, cooperative >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> ourselves. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> May be we need your answers about how to do it and how to start it, >>>>>>> if you are agree to work with regency theme modificated for us, etc, >>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> About the new dedicated server i can pay for it, but it is a general >>>>>>> cost must be return me the money less my part. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think it is important to know how many people of this list wants >>>>>>> to collaborate and to grow up toguether cross this project per example. >>>>>>> Only you say something about it ..... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We can organice in five areas: Administration; Design; Telecom >>>>>>> (software, hardware, communication); Márketing, and in a short future >>>>>>> Formation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note. I would like to go lo live to Senegal very soon, one foot in >>>>>>> Senegal, one foot in Spain and Europe, and one hand in USA, the other >>>>>>> hand >>>>>>> and my heart for my senegalaise girlfriend. My head in Senegal and >>>>>>> Africa. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2015-03-31 19:29 GMT+02:00 seydina issa paté <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Manu, >>>>>>>> Very interesting idea. for example since more 4 years I had deleted >>>>>>>> my facebook account because I don't like their system for many >>>>>>>> reasons.... >>>>>>>> But I think for your project we need more information. Dakarlug is >>>>>>>> open and you can share your projects and we work together it's free >>>>>>>> for us. >>>>>>>> I am interested and I am waiting your signal to start the job. Just >>>>>>>> one suggestion before leaving, try to give us many more information for >>>>>>>> another users who want join the team. >>>>>>>> Let me known when and what we will do for the future. >>>>>>>> tks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2015-03-31 9:02 GMT+00:00 MANUKLEART.COM Arte en Márketing < >>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Enchanté Edgar Afoutou >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Voulez-vous faire une famille? >>>>>>>>> - Je suis seul. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Travailler comme une famille, sentir que nous sommes une famille, >>>>>>>>> une équipe. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2015-03-31 10:34 GMT+02:00, ekoue10 <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> > Salut. Je ne sais pas si les gens qui ecrivent sur cette liste >>>>>>>>> savent ou >>>>>>>>> > ils sont mais et moi j'aimerais bien comprendre ces lignes de >>>>>>>>> manukleart: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > - Do you want to do a family? >>>>>>>>> > - I am alone. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Peut-etre que c'est mon niveau en anglais qui me joue des >>>>>>>>> tours... >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > On 30 March 2015 at 22:04, seydina issa paté <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >> Hi,I would like to call you MANU it's more simple for me,lol. >>>>>>>>> Welcome to >>>>>>>>> >> your work group, and welcome to senegal soon. The idea is the >>>>>>>>> same, >>>>>>>>> >> sharing, meeting, discussions and so more about free >>>>>>>>> software.see you >>>>>>>>> >> soon. >>>>>>>>> >> On Mar 30, 2015 8:08 PM, "MANUKLEART.COM Arte en Márketing" < >>>>>>>>> >> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >>> i am manu, my nickname or personal trade is manukleart, nice >>>>>>>>> to meet >>>>>>>>> >>> you. >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> I speak spanish and english and some french, i complete my >>>>>>>>> french with >>>>>>>>> >>> google translate. >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> I would like to go lo live to Senegal very soon, one foot in >>>>>>>>> Senegal, >>>>>>>>> >>> one foot in Spain and Europe, and one hand in Europe, the >>>>>>>>> other hand >>>>>>>>> >>> and my heart for my senegalaise girlfriend. My head in Senegal >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> >>> Africa. >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> I am enthusiast of free software, my knowledge area is eco >>>>>>>>> márketing >>>>>>>>> >>> or free márketing. >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> I am searching to be part of a team from Senegal to develope >>>>>>>>> portals >>>>>>>>> >>> and apps, to make business and money and resources toguether, >>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>> >>> for us to get a stable job, and then to grow up the general >>>>>>>>> scene in >>>>>>>>> >>> Senegal first and in the rest of Africa when we will be ready. >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> I have some ideas to go ahead i think you like a lot. >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> We can start to work online until our first meet in Dakar as >>>>>>>>> soon as >>>>>>>>> >>> possible. >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> Do you want to do a family? >>>>>>>>> >>> I am alone. >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> health+ >>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks^ >>>>>>>>> >>> manu* >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>> salúd¡¡¡ >>>>>>>>> >>> Gracias^ >>>>>>>>> >>> manukleart* >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>> Ce message a été envoyé à la liste [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>> Gestion de votre abonnement : http://dakarlug.org/liste >>>>>>>>> >>> Archives : >>>>>>>>> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.dakarlug >>>>>>>>> >>> Le site du DakarLUG : http://dakarlug.org >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> -- >>>>>>>>> >> Ce message a été envoyé à la liste [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >> Gestion de votre abonnement : http://dakarlug.org/liste >>>>>>>>> >> Archives : >>>>>>>>> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.dakarlug >>>>>>>>> >> Le site du DakarLUG : http://dakarlug.org >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>> > Edgar Afoutou >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> salúd¡¡¡ >>>>>>>>> Gracias^ >>>>>>>>> manukleart* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Ce message a été envoyé à la liste [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Gestion de votre abonnement : http://dakarlug.org/liste >>>>>>>>> Archives : >>>>>>>>> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.dakarlug >>>>>>>>> Le site du DakarLUG : http://dakarlug.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> *Seydina Issa PATE* >>>>>>>> *Ingénieur en Téléinformatique* >>>>>>>> *Certifié Linux Professional Institute* >>>>>>>> *Tel : 77 524 11 00 / 76 689 78 27* >>>>>>>> *[email protected] <[email protected]> * >>>>>>>> *skype : seysade* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Ce message a été envoyé à la liste [email protected] >>>>>>>> Gestion de votre abonnement : http://dakarlug.org/liste >>>>>>>> Archives : >>>>>>>> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.dakarlug >>>>>>>> Le site du DakarLUG : http://dakarlug.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> salúd¡¡¡ >>>>>>> Gracias^ >>>>>>> manukleart* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> salúd¡¡¡ >>>>>> Gracias^ >>>>>> manukleart* >>>>>> >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ce message a été envoyé à la liste [email protected] >>>>>> Gestion de votre abonnement : http://dakarlug.org/liste >>>>>> Archives : http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.dakarlug >>>>>> Le site du DakarLUG : http://dakarlug.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *************************** >>>>> Onix Corps. >>>>> >>>>> +221-77-411-06-29 >>>>> * BP: 2115* >>>>> Dakar/Senegal >>>>> *************************** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ce message a été envoyé à la liste [email protected] >>>>> Gestion de votre abonnement : http://dakarlug.org/liste >>>>> Archives : http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.dakarlug >>>>> Le site du DakarLUG : http://dakarlug.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ce message a été envoyé à la liste [email protected] >>>> Gestion de votre abonnement : http://dakarlug.org/liste >>>> Archives : http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.dakarlug >>>> Le site du DakarLUG : http://dakarlug.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> salúd¡¡¡ >>> Gracias^ >>> manukleart* >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ce message a été envoyé à la liste [email protected] >>> Gestion de votre abonnement : http://dakarlug.org/liste >>> Archives : http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.dakarlug >>> Le site du DakarLUG : http://dakarlug.org >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ce message a été envoyé à la liste [email protected] >> Gestion de votre abonnement : http://dakarlug.org/liste >> Archives : http://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.dakarlug >> Le site du DakarLUG : http://dakarlug.org >> > > > > -- > salúd¡¡¡ > Gracias^ > manukleart* > > [email protected] > -- salúd¡¡¡ Gracias^ manukleart* [email protected] -- salúd¡¡¡ Gracias^ manukleart* [email protected]
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