https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166894
--- Comment #4 from Eyal Rozenberg <[email protected]> --- Hello Roman, First, let me thank you for taking the initiative of proposing a UI mode design (or redesign). This is an important contribution already, as it moves us away from the "this is what we got and we need to live with it" mindset. I mean, it might be that what we got is pretty good, but that should be challenged. Second, I must ask you for more mockups (or screenshots?) - as right now, I only see one mockup (the "before/after comparison" in the presentation). We really need some more. Specifically, what happens when we click the various tabs; and what happens when the screen is narrower. Finally, I'm not going to opine on what I think about this design, because first I have lots of questions! 1. Why did you choose to redesign the "Tabbed Compact" UI mode, specifically? That is, what's important about it, in your view? The two 'prominent' UI modes at the moment are Menus+Toolbars and Tabbed (a.k.a. Tab Bar). In fact, judging by your design principles (see also later questions), it seems you may be more interested in "Single Toolbar". 2. Why a redesign as opposed to just designing another UI mode with inspiration from an existing one? i.e. do you want to replace "Tabbed Compact", or is that not consequential? Regarding "Design approach and UX prorities"... 3. In Tabbed Compact, there are no menus, only tabs; so, how can "secondary actions go into menus"? This would make more sense if we were in the "Single Toolbar" UI mode. 4. You write that you aim for "simplicity for beginners". What kind of beginners are you thinking of? Younger users? Users who have not had experience with an office productivity suite? Or users who are beginning to use LibreOffice, and may otherwise be experienced? 5. What is your definition of "clean"/cleanliness of a UI? "Simplicity" of a UI? 6. Can you list som e "familiar patterns" which you consider favorably? 7. The UIs of Google Docs and MS Office are significantly different; Google Docs does not use ribbons, for example. MSO and OnlyO both have ribbons, but these ribbons have significant differences. How does this agree with your desire to adopt "familiar patterns"? 8. What do you consider to be the LibreOffice "brand colors"? 9. In your mockup (slide 4, "Before/After Comparison" you place direct-formatting controls on the toolbar, and remove all (?) style-related controls. Can you describe the rationale for this? Do you relate this to the principle of "simplicity for beginners"? 10. What do you envision as the interaction between this UI mode and the sidebar? 11. In the standard UI mode, one can choose whether buttons will exhibit an icon, text, or icon-plus-text; and the default is no-text - while the menus are textual. DO you want your new UI mode to be fully label-free, or do you see this as something the user should be able to toggle? If so, when and how? 12. In your mockup, the controls, or groups of controls, seem to be rather spaced out - more so than most other LO UI modes. Can you elaborate regarding this choice, and whether you see it as something basic, or just a customizable seeting? 13. Do you intend the controls on the toolbar to agree with the Desktop Environment / GUI framework's UI/controls style? So that switching VCLs will mean the toolbar looks different? Or - do you suggest a 'bespoke' toolbar in this UI mode, irrespective of the VCL? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
