https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169426
Olivier Hallot <[email protected]> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |ASSIGNED --- Comment #3 from Olivier Hallot <[email protected]> --- (In reply to Philippe Cloutier from comment #0) > According to the Shortcut Keys for LibreOffice Writer page > (https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/swriter/04/01020000.html), The updated help page is https://help.libreoffice.org/master/en-US/text/swriter/04/01020000.html and will be available for LibreOffice 26.2 next February 2026 > one of the effects of keyboard shortcut Alt+Enter is: > <emph>Paragraph in list</emph>. Inserts a new paragraph within a list > without a bullet or number, while preserving the list’s paragraph > formatting. To resume numbering or bulleting, press <keycode>Enter</keycode> > after adding content to the new paragraph. This shortcut does not work if > the cursor is in the very beginning of a list paragraph. > > In fact, this inserts a paragraph (line) break, not (really) a new > paragraph. If a paragraph consists of: > > Two words > …and the cursor is between "Two" and "words", the shortcut will not really > insert a new paragraph, but rather split the existing paragraph in 2. No. It results in 2 paragraphs. Enable the Formatting marks and you'll see 2 paragraphs in list (pilcrow character at end of paragraph). Pilcrow character = "pied de mouche". https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pied-de-mouche > > As for the form, an incomplete sentence like “Paragraph in list.” could be > confusing and should be avoided. Colons are best to isolate context, as > Ctrl+Backspace exemplifies. > > Moreover, the sentence "To resume numbering or bulleting, press > <keycode>Enter</keycode> after adding content to the new paragraph." (which > was added in > https://git.libreoffice.org/help/+/ > 9ea21fcc6dca1c2f313b0b7494c00cdd4a42c774%5E%21 ) is superfluous and even > misleading, suggesting that pressing Alt+Enter would somehow switch Writer > to an alternative mode, which is not the case. Superflous and misleading? With no contents in the line, Enter will close the list. With contents, it resumes the numbering/bulleting. That is a tremendous feature! > > Fourthly, many lists use list markers which are neither bullets nor numbers, > so the description is imprecise. What other markers are you talking about? Markers are either numbers or bullets. They are configured in the list style linked to the paragraph in list. If, by any chance, you are creating a list manually by writing the numbers or the bullets, then you don't have a LibreOffice list, you have a set of paragraph that has numbers or bullets as first characters. > > Fifthly, "while preserving the list’s paragraph formatting" seems > superfluous to me (we do not specify such a thing for Shift+Enter, which > does the same TTBOMK). Please get used to LibreOffice Writer lists. A list is a set of paragraphs. A list has a list style. All paragraphs in a list share list properties. Paragraph properties can eventually be formatted individually but the list properties are the same, unless overridden manually. > > Also, I do not speak English natively, but the last sentence sounds a little > strange to me. "IN the beginning" sounds like the beginning of a story, not > something I have seen in this context (technical documentation), where I > would rather expect "at". OK, "is at the begin of a list paragraph" > > Finally, regarding implementation, the last sentence seems to document a bug > which will hopefully be fixed at some point, so it would be best to keep it > as a translatable entity distinct from the rest. I know nothing about > LibreOffice l10n, but that does not seem to be the case if I read correctly. > > By the way, ticket #168483 comment #5 contains advice about the placement of > this description (in its last paragraph). > > I would therefore suggest: > Inside a list: Split the paragraph in 2, without adding a list element (the > second paragraph will contain the part of the split paragraph which follows > the cursor). Does not work when the cursor is at the start of a paragraph. Sorry. wrong, Alt Enter adds a list element, but with no number or bullet. Here is an authoritative text on LibreOffice Writer lists: https://books.libreoffice.org/en/WG252/WG2512-Lists.html Sadly, not yet in French. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
