https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137151
--- Comment #15 from Telesto <tele...@surfxs.nl> ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #14)
> (In reply to Telesto from comment #13)
> > Problem is also terminology. Using "page break" for "paragraph page breaks"
> > is kind of breaking the silent convention about the meaning page break.
> > There is kind of 'settled' terminology in the world of Office Suites,
> > (object oriented). And the LibreOffice one does look like/behave like a
> > 'regular' page break, until..
> >
> > So feels like LibreOffice re-inventing the meaning.
>
> Usual "I am used to another suite" bias in disguise of talks about
> "conventions". LibreOffice roots are in 1980s, when *word processing*
> component of future StarOffice was created first. Then the concepts were
> only being created (with different suites following own concepts), and no,
> LibreOffice is not inventing it here, it is using something established long
> ago. And things like comment 13 are just another way of telling "no matter
> what, I want it like in MS Office".
That's kind of harshly put. Yes, MSO (or maybe even MS) is a strong influence
on me related to expectations to design (say menu structure) and functions. But
assume this not 'a specific property of mine'
Mimicking the competitor is often done. And even used in design decision at
LibreOffice today (need of style inspector). Or the tabbed bar design.
The other office suite competitors are mimicking MSO too. Not really original,
true. But done with a reason.
Yes, the LibreOffice page break implementation is surely not new. It might have
been the 'standard' if LibreOffice would be today's MSO. But this isn't the
case.
LibreOffice isn't 'leader' setting standards (ok, ODT), but more or less a
follower. LibreOffice can't ignore the competition. It even has to implement
DOCX/DOC filters. How evil the standard might be, you can't say we stick with
ODT. MSO being able to ignore ODT without any dent in sales.
It's easier for people moving from Office Suite A to B by being a look alike in
features and behavior (competitors doing the same). People are lazy folk, and
want something the recognize. Like the one who invented to qwerty keyboard.
Which is far from optimal. But kind of embedded in society.
And the 'page break" 'to paragraph' has it downsides too. Copied around quite a
number of page breaks be incident.
Not proposing to drop unique properties of LibreOffice as such. But tend to see
it as 'add-on' to mainstream/common idea of today. It's kind of 'lost battle',
IMHO.
Or putting it differently I'm not seeing much harm in 'page break as object'
alternative for sake making it users easy to migrate. Holding on to page break
as formatting feels kind of stubbornly going against the flow (to me).
And I assume page breaks are converted for object type as in MSO DOCX/DOC to a
'to paragraph' page break in LibreOffice. Which surely not matches 'reality',
IMHO
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