https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39484

--- Comment #25 from [email protected] ---
(In reply to comment #24)
> I gambled a little around with 3.4.5 (WIN) and "fdo39484-sample", as
> expected without quick success. Really a hare nut, thanks to Petr no
> nominate this one as  hard nut.
> 
> I would like to do a "brute-force test" to try to make this one
> reproducible, but there still are some questions to be clarified before in
> before
> 
> a) is it 100% clear when the loss happens?
> a1) you see outlines missing after FILEOPEN, but do not know whether might
>     have been lost during FILESAVE, because you did not try to open with
>     other software before edits?
> a2) definitivly FILESAVE, groups lost for all other software when FILEOPEN
> a3) definitivly FILEOPEN, I tried with an other software and still saw the 
>     missing group(s)
> 
I see outlines missing during a workflow, not affected by FILEOPEN, not sure if
affected by FILESAVE. If the document is saved with correct outlining, the
outlining will be there in after FILEOPEN. If the outlining breaks during the
workflow and saved, it will not be there after FILEOPEN.
I have not tried other software. I use LO (linux).

> b) Am I right that normally only some groups are lost and replaced by hiding
>    the rows / columns, but normally not all?
> b1) yes
> b2) no, but ...
> 

The outlining breaks a single sheet or more sheets, not parts of sheets. There
are times that I have noticed some sheets broken, while others remain
unaffected, although it seems certain that they will break at some point during
the workflow, they always break . Most times I've noticed all sheets broken.
My basic problem of reproducing the bug is that it happens in an unfocused
sheet and there seems to be a random aspect. 
The closest I've come to it, was when once the +- buttons on horizontal
grouping were visible but not responding to clicks or shortcuts for hide/show.
After switching sheet and back again , buttons were gone and grouping was lost. 

> c) do we have any document set showing a before/after loss. I would prefer
> something like Winfried Donkers' sample what is simple enough for quick
> tests (might be with macro aid)
> c1) yes
> c2) no, but ...
> 
My samples might not be "simple enough for quick tests" as they are 10MB
260sheet, but I can send you two samples in case you want to check out.

> d) due to "fdo39484-sample.ods" contains hundreds of ODF errors. Are sample
> documents with valid ODF 1.2 (strict) available?
> d1) yes
> d2) no
I've always had the setting ODF format version: 1.2 Extended (recommended) in
the Options menu.

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