https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157649
--- Comment #10 from [email protected] --- (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #9) > (In reply to skagon from comment #8) > > LibreOffice (and OpenOffice predecessor) are cross-platform with a common > code base. Some accommodations in native code are implemented, but for > example we will never implement UWP and the code base will remain win32 c++ I never said that LO should implement UWP. Your attempt at "reductio ad absurdum" is baseless. > We are obliged to document the UI in Help and use guides--but we have NO > obligation to follow MS Windows norms--and as noted accelerators in dialogs > on the Windows os/DE are not normalized, by Microsoft or other projects. What you are obliged to do is to follow norms. Otherwise, you will end up with a product as unusable as VI. > The dev choice implementation here to require use of the <Alt> modifier with > accelerators in dialogs is acceptable cross-platform. The "dev choice" should not be a dev choice. There should be people specialising in UI and User Experience to decide. Cross-platform does not apply. You are trying to equate a userbase of hundreds of thousands of users, working for decades with a specific paradigm, to a userbase less than 5% of the former. Furthermore, there is nothing, NOTHING, stopping you from utilising specific paradigms for specific operating systems. Nothing other than just being obstinate. > And I say that as a primary (98%) Windows os/DE user. The impact on Windows > os/DE users is negligible--and certainly does not drive them away. The impact on this particular Windows user is not negligible, and I know of at least two dozen other people who think the same. The impact on me is enough to make me install Microsoft Office and be done with all this malarkey. I don't have to sit here trying to defend the glaringly obvious. In Windows, things work a certain way. You don't want to do it, because you think you're the holder of the holy truth. I've seen this crap before. About fifteen years ago, Mozilla Firefox "devs" decided to be stupid and remove the "Ctrl-E" shortcut for search, because… "oh, on Linux we have Ctrl-K and WE SHOULD FORCE USERS TO LEARN THAT SHORTCUT, IN ORDER TO ENCOURAGE TRANSITION AWAY FROM WINDOWS." No, I'm not even making this up, they said that in the bugzilla thread that was opened! The result? I made an addon for Firefox that was restoring Ctrl-E, it had thousands of installs in a matter of days. Firefox "devs" restored the Ctrl-E shortcut in a few months. Unfortunately for both me and you, I don't think a plug-in would be enough to rectify this thing. I have the knowledge or disposition to make my own private build of LO, so yeah, I'm not staying around. If you don't respect Windows users on such a basic thing, it's an indication you're not going to respect Windows users in anything. Even though I've used LibreOffice since the very first days back in 2010, even though I've encouraged users to try LibreOffice for years (as an IT journalist), this is the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm not sticking around for a project that caters to the needs of the few, disrespecting the needs of the many. Someone could say it's racism. Of the worst kind. I don't know if *you* get to choose if this is getting fixed or not, but if it is, I'm out. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
