Hi Kohei,
Kohei Yoshida schreef op 5/06/2014 15:06:
So, to me personally, this practice of "witch-hunting" (or
finger-pointing) really bogs me down, especially I receive such notice
hundreds of times during a typical development cycle.
Well, that's at least not what I'm talking about right now.
(1) we (I) are (am) only talking about bugs we can track down to 1
single commit or developer. Not a developer in general by component
(writer, calc, ...), which we do now to try to avoid as much as
possible. I'm not sure that there are that many QA'ers or reporters
which can track down to 1 single developer/commit?
I'm not a developer at all and just to provide me an idea: do you still
receive that much CC's on bugs compared to months/a year ago?
(2) we discussed this yesterday on the QA-call too. Our conclusion was
to just kindly ping a developer in particular on IRC.
(https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2014/June_04#Topics_for_ESC.3F)
If not I still am 'pro' an active approach and mail the particular
developer (in private) or put him/her in CC.
(3) and as far my experience concerns... I already know which developers
are and are not open for a nice (not pointing, just asking) SINGLE
message. I think other core QA members do have such experience too.
Since statistically every change one makes can and will cause *some*
regressions in some obscure corners, this disadvantages those who make
lots of changes, even when those changes are to fix other regressions
and bugs.
True, but luckely not all regression cases are 'obscure' and border cases.
And some of these sometimes escalate to a (often repeated) demand of a
revert of the commit, which is another blow especially when the change
itself took weeks and weeks of careful coding to get conceived. One can
be as careful as possible, and still (and almost always) break somethign
somewhere.
Again: true. But we are not talking about: bug the particular developer
as much as possible, if he doesn't react/revert/fix spam his email and
IRC with threats to revert that commit ...
I think we have to find the most constructive approach to get a
regression bug fixed, with respect to the situation (developer, commit
message, ...) and severity.
Kind regards,
Joren
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