* Present: + Lionel, Stephan, Eike, Miklos, Robinson, Jacobo, Andras, Markus, Michael M., Ptyl, Cloph, Norbert, Florian, Bjoern, Jan-Marek, Muthu, Michael S., Adam * Completed Action Items: + look at regressions associated with a SUSE bugzilla bugfix (Timar) [ went through them, but no low hanging fruit, but no need to access original documents there, for most there are unit tests. Will check all are public ] + look at sorting spreadsheet / use-cases etc. (Eike) cf. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=108990 ] ongoing, a mix of real bugs, wrong expectations and misconception about references [ worked through the document, and added a comment to the bug, cherry-picked some fixes missing on the 4.2.x branch, fixed 2-3 cases on all other branches. Suggest we do a 4.2.8 last-release ]. * Pending Action Items: + start building bibisect repositories (Robinson) [ works on his local machine, but ... needs access to Bertha ] AI: get Robinson access to Bertha etc. (Cloph) + see also: https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/597#note-21 * Bugzilla migration update (Robinson) + going well + http://vm150.documentfoundation.org/ + please test out your tools vs. that. + bugzilla notification - needed for IRC & git commit daemons + can we login ? (Miklos) + all passwords need a reset. + if anyone wants admin access - mail Robinson + Aiming for 3rd week in January - Wed / Jan 14th + why not when people are not using it ? (Norbert) + happy to have another day (Robinson) + presumably a weekend-night of down-time will screw over fewer fdo users (Norbert) + Aim for calendar week 3 (Florian) + so we have infra etc. available end of week 2 etc. + now safe to go -> if we can move forward; reach out to Tollef, and arrange a date with him. AI: + reach out to Tollef to organise a date/time (Robinson) + load-testing ? (Michael) + handful of people on the current VM, the file-system is not optimized. + do we have stats on the fdo load ? (Michael) AI: + will get from Tollef (Robinson) + do we have the web-page / password reset done ? (Norbert) + see an un-pretty, but working notification (Robinson) + needs to just have enough to grok the migration (Norbert) + says "we've migrated bugzilla" etc. (Robinson) + Testing BSA + needs to be fixed vs. current version of bugzilla on fdo + current BSA is broken vs. fdo - due to upgrade of bugzilla a few weeks ago. + their HTML layout changed, and all scripts that parsed that are broken (Markus) + best to switch to XML-RPC + BSA - already use XML-RPC but doesn't work (Cloph) + will setup a test system so we can get that fixed (Cloph) * Release Engineering update (Cloph) + 4.2.8 release AI: + come up with a proposal timing-wise (Cloph) + next week 4.4 Beta 2, etc. every week has a release + better to have it in the 4.4 beta phase + Eike is confident. + plan a 1-RC release. + have been pushing that out to Ubuntu/PPA (Bjoern) + lack of 'murder' screaming out there. => late this week or early next week. + can we ask people to test ? (Robinson) + always pushed to the dev-builds server & announced (Cloph) + lets not invite re-opening wounds (Bjoern) + its a ton better in its current state (Michael) + Cudos to Eike (Bjoern) + 4.3.5 RC1 status + currently synching to the mirrors, can be announced to the public after the call. + 4.4.0 Beta 2 + ensure everything committed to master is cherry-picked to 4.4 branch + string freeze is with RC1 - due in week 51 - Dec 15th. + Lateish Feature collection: + OpenGL rendering for Windows by default for good drivers (various) + Blacklisting for Linux and Windows (Markus) [ mostly done, Linux in master, Windows in-progress, currently porting the Mozilla code here; but mostly tested; comes from Mozilla - with some tweaks - eg. remove DirectX bits; switched string classes etc. Lots of registry lookups ]. + OpenGL/CL JPEG de-compression to texture (jpeg-turbo patch) [ patch pending here ]. + images*.zip layering ? (Kendy) + saves 5Mb of zipped installation size, we open the zip files and do the fallback at run-time. + packimages & impimagetree.cxx bits (Kendy) + cold-start ? (Michael) + loads the zip file when needed (Kendy) + can squash Industrial into tango to save (Kendy) AI: + check Matus' startup performance measurement (Kendy) => leave on master for now (Kendy) + sidebar (stripe) enabled in Calc (Kendy) + in addition to the re-work of writer toolbar, calc has been re-worked; some icons hidden and show only in the side-bar. + not currently enabled for calc, want to enable the collapsed version by default + don't care so much (Markus) don't want the expanded sidebar by default in writer (Kendy) + happy too (Eike) + can revert in the beta-phase if problems (Kendy) => merge it. + back-port Miklos' fix for the unit test too. + Android / iOS Remote + will update the support library + uses current version of Gradle + will release a version with updated translations * Crashtest update (Markus) + migrated to new host - 32 cores + numbers updated around once per day. + expecting new hardware before Christmas. + DOCX export regression just now (2.5k) + XLS export quite bad currently - 500 at the moment. + RTF import is a problem. + at some point need to add plotting to the scripts to graph this. + could we tinderbox-alike this (Miklos) + spam all people committing in the commit range + bug load & re-save the ODF - with duplicate attribute (Michael S) + added some assertions to the class where this is stored. + now can crash on import. + can put the fix in 4.2.8 * Munich hackfest retrospective + Jmux spent the time mostly cooking ... + food was awesome (Kendy) + Moggi / DavidO / Kendy there + Jonathan Riddell there too ... + started some KDE5 vclplug porting action + otherwise - some fun hacking here & there. + three LiMux students there, helped to mentor them. + any problems building it ? (Eike) + all Debian/KDE guys anyway (Markus) + Jonathan - built with icecream & -> 1.5hrs. * Tokio/Kanto Hackfest retrospective + http://naruoga-en.blogspot.de/2014/11/joint-meeting-of-kanto-libreoffice.html + great work going on in Japan, used VMs to track-down bugs too. * Hackfests (Bjoern) + initial scheduling for 2015: + FOSDEM, Bruessels, Belgium -- February 2015 contact: Fridrich + Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, Spain -- March, 2015 contact: Bjoern + setup for GSOC etc. + Cambridge, UK -- May 2015 contact: Michael + ... more planning later ... * commit access (Kendy/Markus) + added people: + Jonathan Riddell + doing KDE 5 work + Jay Philips + icons, menus, toolbars, string improvements + added admin: + Kendy * C++11 on master towards LO 4.5 (Stephan) + see thread starting at <http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2014-November/064785.html> + switch to MSVC 2013? + done a build - it works nicely (Stephan & Kendy) + stay with GCC 4.6 for Munich ? (JMux) + don't want to maintain own toolchain, will switch to 4.5 next year if need to update, will need to provide their own toolchain + prefer to stay on 4.6 + is it not possible to have 2x gcc's installed in parallel ? (Kendy) + which Ubuntu as a base-image ? (Bjoern) + 12.4 LTS - expect an update end of next year. + the bigger win here is from MSVC2013 (Stephan) + many of things are not in MS anyway + missing template aliases - now have explicit classes forwarding to containers + eg. class around a std::vector with parts of the template arguments filled in. + give some days for tinderbox machines to update & then require MSVC2013 (Stephan) + lets do it as last-time: + stick with gcc 4.6 for now until people badly need a new feature + checking for some gcc / toolchain back-ports for Precise (Bjoern) + done by the gcc maintainers. + Visual Studio Community (Michael S) + free of charge for Open Source projects + does that include the ATL header files etc. ? + according to the docs it does (Kendy) + any implication for Mac (Norbert) + Mac is Clang and has been ahead for ages (Stephan) * Fold URE into LO (Stephan) + Already done on Mac + Benefits for Windows (one less place to find DLLs via PATH) + Harmonize all platforms again + lovely work (Michael)
+ indeed (Bjoern) + we don't know of anyone using URE without an office (Michael S) + no-one is known; but we can still keep it functional in its own package (Stephan) + just locate it in libreoffice/program not URE/bin etc. * UX Update (Kendy) + to avoid misunderstandings, some explanation about the Design team :-) + what the Design team is: + a set of "design hackers" - people who like to improve things around usability & design + a platform for conflict resolution + what the Design team is _not_: + a set of people who would like to manage other people + works like the development + if an idea proves to be wrong, it is reverted + and if there's a conflict, it has to be resolved quickly; no bikeshedding + many things are measurable, no need for guessing + "don't let perfect be enemy of the good" is applied - so don't be afraid to improve UX yourself + if you are missing a shortcut, add it + if you need to create a dialog, create it + it's good if you then also add it to the http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/design + under the "the last week's UX changes" + but I'm going through the commits so should see the important changes + and if you let us know, we can apply the HIG, check the wording, etc. for you + meeting bits + nothing of huge importance + discuss: creating some mode of 'simple toolbar' - instead of lots of items, having a single, simple toolbar (with the possibility ot switch between the full-featured and simple mode) + easily do-able; but is it a good idea. * Bughunting sessions (Robinson) + last weekend on IRC: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugHunting_Session_4.4.0.0 + Had ~100 bugs filed during the event + MozTrap had 57 test runs, and 6 bugs were found + A big thanks to everyone who helped out! * FOSDEM bits + https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM15 + 20 minute slots (good to collect talks) + please consider filing by mid. December ! + Volunteer needed to book / run the hackfest afterwards. + who did it the last year? - Mirek AI + Cor had some good relationship with the BetaCowork? - ask him (Kendy) * Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy) + page updated. * REFERENCEOOOMAJORMINOR (Bjoern) + cf. http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=905db8babf00ffd8741f195d2faac5f23f829a6d + accidentally didn't change this -only on instdir, not the install-set + backport to 4.4? what about 4.3/4.2? + see http://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/messagebox-api-change/ for context AI: + back-port it to 4.4 (Bjoern) + everyone fine (Michael S, Stephan) * Jenkins update (Norbert) + not much progress this week * QA (Robinson) + UNCONFIRMED slid up to 640 due to distraction of NEEDINFO work + still in good shape + backlog decreasing + interesting crasher: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86552 + bibsect ? * QA stats: + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html +173 -140 (+33 overall) many thanks to the top bug squashers: Beluga 26 Caolán McNamara 11 Adolfo Jayme 10 Maxim Monastirsky 10 raal 7 Michael Stahl 6 tommy27 6 Joel Madero 6 Jay Philips 5 * Open 4.5 MAB + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=86696&hide_resolved=1 * Open 4.4 MAB + 5/19 4/18 3/17 3/16 3/16 4/16 5/15 4/14 3/12 3/12 3/12 7/12 26% 22% 17% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=79641&hide_resolved=1 * Open 4.3 MAB + 33/90 19/73 17/65 16/64 16/64 15/63 16/63 16/60 17/61 16/60 14/59 15/58 36% 26% 26% 25% 18% 23% 25% 26% 27% 26% 23% 25% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=75025&hide_resolved=1 * Open 4.2 MAB + 63/255 74/261 83/266 81/263 84/262 82/260 80/260 82/260 86/257 88/257 24% 28% 31% 30% 32% 31% 30% 31% 33% 35% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=65675&hide_resolved=1 * Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected' + 190/481 189/475 190/470 173/446 170/441 161/427 153/413 154/410 + http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q * all bugs tagged with 'regression' + 486(+2) bugs open of 3226(+15) total * ~Component count net * Writer - 140 (-2) Spreadsheet - 109 (+3) Crashes - 31 (+0) Presentation - 30 (-1) Database - 28 (+0) Libreoffice - 27 (+1) UI - 23 (-2) Drawing - 22 (+0) Graphics - 21 (+0) Borders - 20 (+0) Filters - 16 (+0) Chart - 15 (+1) Print / PDF - 14 (+0) BASIC - 5 (+0) Formula - 3 (+0) Linguistic - 3 (+0) Installation - 3 (+0) Extensions - 3 (+0) sdk - 1 (+0) framework - 1 (+0) Impress Remote - 0 (+0) + http://bit.ly/15mM2Yn - for devs ( no NEEDINFO / UNCONFIRMED ) -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot _______________________________________________ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/