* Present:
    + Cloph, Caolan, Eike, Gabriel, Heiko, Hossein, Ilmari, Michael W, Michael 
S, Olivier, Stephan, Stephane, Thorsten, Xisco, Miklos, Khaled

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
    + Try gtk4 local builds, Qt6 local builds (Cloph)
    + review bot: ignore distro branches when adding reviewers (Xisco)

* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
    + new releases were announced on Tue (7.5.7 & 7.6.2)
      + Xisco will follow-up on the QA list
      + other outdated libraries? (Xisco)
        + Michael S does a lot of work here (Caolan)
    + 7.6 status: 7.6.3 rc1 in 5 weeks
      + no urgent issue from the QA point of view (Xisco)
    + 7.5 status: 7.5.8 rc1 in 2 weeks
    + Xisco rebuilt releases for apple silicon with the old toolchain on macOS
      + Cloph has a patch in gerrit to use the old linker

* Documentation (Olivier)
    + New Help
       + Fix matomo/piwik unnecessary script for local Help (ohallot)
    + Helpcontents2
       + More fixes for menus and UNO commands (ohallot)
       + Updates and fixes (stragu, ohallot, S. Chaiklin, G. Kelemen...)
       + the restored single-HTML export from Impress will also need help pages 
(Xisco)
         + the core part is restored, to be checked if the help has to be 
restored as well
    + Guides
       + Bookshelf entries for for FR, NL (ohallot)

    + Bugzilla Documentation statistics
        272(272) bugs open
    + Updates:
        BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
           created     6(2)     19(2)      70(1)      298(0)
         commented     6(0)     48(-9)    225(-12)   1079(-15)
          resolved     0(-2)     4(-1)     30(0)      163(-2)
    + top 10 contributors:
          Stéphane Guillou made 16 changes in 1 month, and 341 changes in 1 year
          Olivier Hallot made 13 changes in 1 month, and 440 changes in 1 year
          Ilmari Lauhakangas made 8 changes in 1 month, and 114 changes in 1 
year
          Nabet, Julien made 8 changes in 1 month, and 39 changes in 1 year
          aswath t made 5 changes in 1 month, and 5 changes in 1 year
          Jim Avera made 5 changes in 1 month, and 5 changes in 1 year
          steve made 4 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 year
          Seth Chaiklin made 4 changes in 1 month, and 306 changes in 1 year
          Vernon, Stuart Foote made 3 changes in 1 month, and 44 changes in 1 
year
          Heiko Tietze made 2 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes in 1 year

* UX Update (Heiko)
    + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
        259(259) (topicUI) bugs open, 57(57) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
    + Updates:
        BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
             added      3(2)     14(4)     20(4)       45(2)
         commented     27(-3)   181(-3)   461(15)    2324(-7)
           removed      0(0)      0(0)      1(-1)      20(-4)
          resolved     10(7)     35(5)     86(9)      330(2)
    + top 10 contributors:
          Heiko Tietze made 114 changes in 1 month, and 1385 changes in 1 year
          Stéphane Guillou made 45 changes in 1 month, and 468 changes in 1 year
          Eyal Rozenberg made 41 changes in 1 month, and 324 changes in 1 year
          Kaganski, Mike made 29 changes in 1 month, and 144 changes in 1 year
          Dieter made 20 changes in 1 month, and 247 changes in 1 year
          Vernon, Stuart Foote made 19 changes in 1 month, and 405 changes in 1 
year
          ady made 18 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
          Fortin Tam, Jean-François made 11 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes 
in 1 year
          Bogdan B made 10 changes in 1 month, and 105 changes in 1 year
          neil made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
    + [Bug 157472] Always show menu icons in GTK3_KDE5
    + [Bug 157467] Area background: right-clicking on image to delete or rename
           should target the clicked one and not the selected one
    + [Bug 157234] Should "Consider wrapping styles when positioning objects"
           be ON as default?
    + [Bug 156674] UI: formula help still displayed when editing cell formatted 
as text
    + [Bug 157438] Expert config: Lists should be properly editable
    + [Bug 157435] Use numeric field when editing integer typed config items
    + [Bug 157436] Expert config: Enumerations should be editable in a dropdown
    + [Bug 157432] Expert config: Allow filtering by changed values
    + [Bug 157439] Properties sidebar deck Position & Size doesn't have
           position controls
    + [Bug 157406] Writer allows to insert comments in footnotes in DOCX,
           but loses them
    + [Bug 157385] [Enhancement] Allow users to put navigator deck and tabbar
           at the top or bottom of the window.
 -> + [Bug 68573] FORMATTING:Inconsistent underlining of text in different
           fonts (see comment 6)
    + [Bug 157276] [UI] Presenter mode does not use system font
    + [Bug 157415] Import & Export mechanism for the font substitution table
    + [Bug 118866] EDITING Hyperlink to hidden sheet navigates to wrong sheet

 -> + The UI/UX aspect of how to deal with security vulnerabilities;
      the question of whether LO should "call home" to check for
      advisories for security-related updates; annoyance of asking for
      consent vs. the responsibility of caring for user security; the
      space of UI choices regarding such security-update-checks.
      + proposal is to show an infobar if it's urgent to update (Heiko)
        + with the possibility to ignore this
      + started to spec out the automatic updater, it'll solve this (Thorsten)
      + usually we don't announce a new release & say it contains a security 
fix (Cloph)
        + frequently the sec issue is under embargo while releasing
        + also not a fan of phoning home
      + if we want to be more safer than the competition, we may want to have 
this (Heiko)
        + the webp case is not the usual flow (Cloph)
        + any drawbacks to having a communication channel to signal important 
updates? (Hossein)
          + yes, privacy. there is always a balance there (Cloph)
      + it's weird with sec updates (Thorsten)
        + the lib severity vs what it means for LO may be different
        + web browser exploit -> may not affect LO
        + almost every release ships a sec fix
        + the real problem is not updating automatically on Windows
        + end users hate changes, they like to stick to old versions (Heiko)
        + visible in the crashreports, people use old versions (Cloph)
        + sure, no problem if you want to disable updates for whatever reason 
(Thorsten)

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
    + 22(+0) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
       + Armin has some promising pending fixes there, it seems
    + 1,368 coverity issues
      - c++20 baseline, so bumped compiler
      - thought I'd bump coverity version too
        + will find out if older coverity version will work
          with newer compiler and use that instead if possible
    + 2 ossfuzz issues, no crashes

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
   + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.5.6.2
         + (+295) 427 132 0
   + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.5.7.1
         + (+38) 38 0
   + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.6.0.3
         + (-389) 1226 1615 1923 440 0
   + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.6.1.2
         + (+1792) 1792 0
   + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.6.2.1
         + (+106) 106 0


    + Fixes in 7.6.2.1 compared to 7.6.0.3

- comphelper::AccessibleEventNotifier::revokeClientNotifyDisposing(unsigned int, 
com::sun::star::uno::Reference<com::sun::star::uno::XInterface> const&)
    - Thanks to Michael Weghorn, had 2000+ reports for this in the past
    - How do you identify the fix for the crash? (Caolan)
      - looking at the git log, trying to guess from that (Xisco)
- static void 
comphelper::OInterfaceContainerHelper4<com::sun::star::document::XDocumentEventListener>::forEach<<lambda_10c26e3c2930b00cece84fedc26ee250>
 >(class std::unique_lock<std::mutex> & const, const class 
`anonymous-namespace'::SfxGlobalEvents_Impl::
    - Thanks to Michael Weghorn
    - was interested in the fix for this, will look in git (Caolan)
- SwModule::ConfigurationChanged(utl::ConfigurationBroadcaster 
*,ConfigurationHints)
    - Thanks to Paris Oplopoios
- SalInstanceTreeView::get_drag_source()
    - Thanks to Caolán


* Mentoring (Hossein)
          committer...   1 week     1 month      3 months     12 months
                  open      45(-10)     97(-7)      156(-7)       209(-2)
               reviews     226(-42)   1236(-140)   3408(-12)    11502(4)
                merged     169(-25)    989(-78)    3080(-107)   12609(-110)
             abandoned       4(-6)      60(-9)      142(-10)      634(-15)
           own commits      99(34)     657(-17)    2062(13)      9688(-75)
        review commits      35(17)     179(-38)     628(0)       3025(1)
        contributor...   1 week     1 month      3 months     12 months
                  open      26(5)       56(11)       91(15)       117(16)
               reviews     498(-44)   2290(-194)   7130(-202)   30546(-308)
                merged      13(8)       62(-25)     220(3)       2165(-41)
             abandoned      14(7)       33(10)      205(11)       625(7)
           own commits      18(15)      62(-12)     221(15)      1099(17)
        review commits       0(0)        0(0)         0(0)          0(0)
    + easyHack statistics:
       needsDevEval 8(8)   needsUXEval 1(1)   cleanup_comments 323(323)
       total 398(398)   assigned 24(24)   open 349(349)
    + top 10 contributors:
          Stéphane Guillou made 6 patches in 1 month, and 35 patches in 1 year
          Srebotnjak, Martin made 4 patches in 1 month, and 20 patches in 1 year
          Sahil Gautam made 4 patches in 1 month, and 9 patches in 1 year
          Adam Seskunas made 4 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
          Dan Horák made 4 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
          Bogdan B made 3 patches in 1 month, and 97 patches in 1 year
          Priyadarshi, Apurva made 2 patches in 1 month, and 2 patches in 1 year
          Montane, Joan made 2 patches in 1 month, and 2 patches in 1 year
          Bayram Çiçek made 2 patches in 1 month, and 2 patches in 1 year
          Ismael Olea made 2 patches in 1 month, and 2 patches in 1 year
    + top 10 reviewers:
          Caolán McNamara made 152 review comments in 1 month, and 538 in 1 year
          Xisco Fauli made 94 review comments in 1 month, and 758 in 1 year
          Thorsten Behrens made 90 review comments in 1 month, and 462 in 1 year
          Michael Stahl made 86 review comments in 1 month, and 1144 in 1 year
          Ilmari Lauhakangas made 76 review comments in 1 month, and 398 in 1 
year
          Nabet, Julien made 72 review comments in 1 month, and 962 in 1 year
          Christian Lohmaier made 72 review comments in 1 month, and 408 in 1 
year
          Vajna, Miklos made 70 review comments in 1 month, and 894 in 1 year
          Kaganski, Mike made 58 review comments in 1 month, and 360 in 1 year
          Hossein made 58 review comments in 1 month, and 280 in 1 year
    + big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, 
since last report:
          Ankit Kumar Jaipuriar
          Priyadarshi, Apurva
          t-aswath
          Cosmin Humeniuc (1&1)
          Mihai Vasiliu
  + working on the contents for the workshop
    + had "Intoduction to LibreOffice development" workshop at the conference
    + will prepare certificates for attending people
    + last item was the overview of Writer -> Hossein also talked about his own 
bugfixes
  + recordings (Gabriel)
    + sadly they are really bad
    + we decided at the last moment that it'll be recorded, wasn't planned
    + significant parts are missing
    + in many cases you can't see which slide is presented
    + sound is OK
    + but still, many missing parts
    + is there still interest in sharing the recording?
      + please share it with me, perhaps will re-record in shorter form 
(Hossein)
      + where to upload? (Gabriel)
        + perhaps TDF nextcloud (Hossein)
    + I'm planning to do a proper recording of my Bugzilla session too. 
(Stéphane)
    + yes, re-recording sessions is a good idea (Hossein)
      + could form a course
      + would provide an overview

* Outreachy (Ilmari)
  + https://www.outreachy.org/ -- Applied with two intern slots
  + Mentor sign up deadline September 29: looking for mentors
    + https://www.outreachy.org/communities/cfp/libreoffice/
    + if you have time to mentor & idea: please speak up now
  + Project timeline is Dec -> March
  + Not looking for mentors at this stage, have 2 projects already
  + Michael W also signed up as mentor
  + Activity will start in December
  + Will drop this section next week

* Commit Access
  + Skyler Grey (Miklos)
    + propose to restirct this to direct commit to distro branches
    + follows what we had so far (Cloph)
=> no objections
AI: Miklos to send the welcome mail + point out the restricted scope (Miklos)
AI: Cloph to enable the commit bit (Cloph)

* Developer Certification (Stephan/Miklos/Thorsten/László)
  + resting since: 0 weeks (limit: 20 weeks)
  + new certified developer: Hossein

* Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
gerrit_android_aarch64     jobs: 117 ok: 109 ko:   3 fail ratio: 2.56% mean_ok: 
  9 ( 16) median_ok:   7 ( 13)
gerrit_android_arm         jobs: 119 ok: 116 ko:   1 fail ratio: 0.84% mean_ok: 
  9 ( 16) median_ok:   7 ( 12)
gerrit_android_x86         jobs: 117 ok: 109 ko:   3 fail ratio: 2.56% mean_ok: 
  8 ( 15) median_ok:   6 ( 10)
gerrit_android_x86_64      jobs: 119 ok: 115 ko:   1 fail ratio: 0.84% mean_ok: 
  8 ( 15) median_ok:   6 ( 11)
gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil jobs: 243 ok: 182 ko:  47 fail ratio: 19.34% 
mean_ok:  34 ( 40) median_ok:  27 ( 38)
gerrit_linux_gcc_release   jobs: 309 ok: 222 ko:  59 fail ratio: 19.09% 
mean_ok:  17 ( 20) median_ok:  14 ( 15)
gerrit_mac                 jobs: 237 ok: 204 ko:  14 fail ratio: 5.91% mean_ok: 
 49 ( 50) median_ok:  43 ( 43)
gerrit_windows             jobs: 242 ok: 185 ko:  36 fail ratio: 14.88% 
mean_ok:  60 ( 71) median_ok:  49 ( 49)
gerrit_master_ml           jobs: 323 ok: 155 ko: 124 fail ratio: 38.39% 
mean_ok:  85 ( 85) median_ok:  63 ( 63)
gerrit_master              jobs:  57 ok:  25 ko:  21 fail ratio: 36.84% 
mean_ok:  67 ( 67) median_ok:  47 ( 47)
gerrit_master_seq          jobs: 266 ok: 130 ko: 103 fail ratio: 38.72% 
mean_ok:  88 ( 88) median_ok:  66 ( 66)
   + https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_230928.html
   + tests that failed more than twice in last seven days
      4 CppunitTest_sw_mailmerge                gerrit_windows
      4 CppunitTest_vcl_pdfexport                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
      4 JunitTest_chart2_unoapi                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
      6 UITest_sw_fieldDialog                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
      8 Killed by the kill-wrapper                
gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil_branch
      8 CppunitTest_vcl_gtk3_a11y                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
     10 CppunitTest_sw_ooxmlexport13                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
     12 UITest_sw_navigator                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
     16 Killed by the kill-wrapper                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
     18 CppunitTest_vcl_text                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
    + the list looks scary, but it's better than that (Cloph)
      + vcl_text failure was mostly limited to a series of patches updating 
fonts
      + sw_ooxmlexport13 also limited to iterations of a pending change/larger 
rework from Noel and a patch series where the bottom one had an issue → not a 
widespread problem
    + the amount of killed builds is not nice
    + sw_navigator improved, but takes time to get changes rebased
    + 1 windows bot had a leftover process and auto-detection didn't kick in
      + if you see multiple failures on the same bot:
        + disable the bot yourself + notify on #tdf-infra
        + or if no permission -> complain about it on #tdf-infra so we can fix 
it

* What’s cooking (Miklos)
    + C++20 (Stephan)
      + mostly submitted to master
      + still pending: mass-update of string with the string literals
      + feel free to try C++20 features
      + is that limited to C++ arrays? (Miklos)
        + that's for all places where we build an O(U)String at runtime 
(Stephan)
        + no need for O(U)StringLiteral anymore
        + the "foo" -> O(U)String magic will go away, it's expensive
        + this rewrite will get rid of the runtime cost
    + multi-page floating tables in Writer, see tdf#157119 for details (Miklos)
    + JDK bump to 17 (Michael W)
        + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/155827
        + still waiting for some macOS builders to be updated
        + hope to get the last one updated in a few weeks (Cloph)
          + no hurry, can wait (Michael W)
    + Right-to-left math layout and other Math improvements (Khaled)
        + All patches have been merged, basically done (not withstanding the 
long tail of bug fixes)
    + Drop HTML export wizard in Impress/Draw (Xisco)

        - HTML export filter reduced to just export as a html single-document. Now 
exporting from the UI behaves the same as when using --convert-to 
html:"impress_html_Export"

        - initially everything was removed, then hit some pushback

        - a simplified filter is now restored

      + Marina presented about Outreachy wrt Windows installation set (Stephan)

        + not nice if it's not integrated

        + planned to set up some build bot to produce the new packaging and see 
how that goes (Cloph)

    AI: set up a daily tinderbox for this (Cloph)



* QA update (Xisco)
    + UNCONFIRMED: 1178 (+2)
        + enhancements: 284  (+5)
        + needsUXEval: 6 (+1)
        + haveBackTrace: 11 (-1)
        + needsDevAdvice: 35 (+1)
        + documentation:  4 (+1)
        + android:  0 (+0)
        + iOS:  0 (+0)
        + Online:  11 (+0)


    + Most pressing bugs:
     New:

    None


    + New high severity bugs of the week:

        + Writer crashes when inserting ODT file containing PDF into table in 
another ODT doc
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155917
            + Michael S?

        + Crash in: (anonymous 
namespace)::XFrameImpl::implts_sendFrameActionEvent(com::sun::star::frame::FrameAction
 const&)
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156648

        + Firebird: Automatic saving of data leads to data loss for all changes after 
last pressed "Save"
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157237
            + Fixed. The problematic commit was reverted

* QA stats (Stéphane)
    + New QA blog post: 
https://qa.blog.documentfoundation.org/2023/09/28/a-community-resolving-issues-collaboratively/
    + Updated QA dashboard: https://stragu.shinyapps.io/lo_qa_dashboard/
        + New Meta network visualisation
        + Option to have Meta bubble sizes proportional to open dependents
        + Include average aggregate ranking of Metas
        + Tweaked aggregate rating after LibOCon feedback
        + New "About" tab
        + Easily show only enhancements
        + New QA:needsComment tally chart
    + Interesting reports:
        + Shared XLSX issues: 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100433
        + Bitmap export of selection in Calc is partly shifted: 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134842
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
      +123  -19 (-105) overall)
      many thanks to the top bug squashers:
       QA Administrators       16
       Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 10
       Buovjaga                8
       Kira Tubo               7
       ⁨خالد حسني⁩             7
       Heiko Tietze            6
       Julien Nabet            5
       Miklos Vajna            4
       m.a.riosv               4
       BogdanB                 3

    + top 10 bugs reporters:
       Samuel Mehrbrodt (allotropia) 6
       Callegar                2
       Dan Dascalescu          2
       Eyal Rozenberg          2
       Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 2
       Gabriele Ponzo          2
       Gilward Kukel           2
       Kira Tubo               2
       Mike Kaganski           2
       Paul Millar             2

    + top 10 bugs fixers:
       خالد حسني               6
       Heiko Tietze            4
       Vajna, Miklos           4
       Caolán McNamara         3
       Nabet, Julien           3
       Patrick Luby            3
       Xisco Fauli             2
       Andreas Heinisch        1
       Kaganski, Mike          1
       Michael Stahl           1

    + top 10 bugs confirmers:
       m.a.riosv               20
       Ilmari Lauhakangas      14
       Stéphane Guillou        12
       Heiko Tietze            7
       Raal                    4
       Bogdan B                3
       Dieter                  3
       Kira Tubo               3
       Nabet, Julien           3
       Robert Großkopf         3


* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
   + more accurate - down to a single commit.
   + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
   +

     done by:
        Kira Tubo              4
        Stéphane Guillou       4
        Ilmari Lauhakangas     2
        Bogdan B               1
        Sophie Sipasseuth      1
        Timur                  1


* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
   + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
   +

     done by:
        Kira Tubo              5
        Bogdan B               4
        Stéphane Guillou       4
        Nabet, Julien          2
        Sophie Sipasseuth      1
        Timur                  1


* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
   + 1207(+22) bugs open of 12824(+33) total 13(+0) high prio.

     done by:
        Kira Tubo             14
        m.a.riosv              2
        Stéphane Guillou       2
        ady                    1
        Bogdan B               1
        Ilmari Lauhakangas     1
        Alex Thurgood          1
        Rafael Lima            1
        Robert Großkopf        1


* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
     Writer        - 8(+0)
     Calc          - 3(+0)
     LibreOffice   - 1(+0)
     Printing and PDF export - 1(+0)

   by OS:
     All           - 9(+0)
     Linux         - 2(+0)
     Mac OS X      - 0(+0)
     Windows       - 2(+0)


* ~Component   count net * all regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
     Writer: other            - 418(+5)
     Calc                     - 226(+3)
     Impress                  - 134(+3)
     LibreOffice              - 49(+1)
     Draw                     - 47(+3)
     Crashes                  - 45(+1)
     Base                     - 42(+0)
     Writer: docx filter      - 41(+0)
     Borders                  - 36(+1)
     UI                       - 35(+3)
     Writer: perf             - 33(+0)
     Writer: other filter     - 31(+0)
     Printing and PDF export  - 25(+1)
     RTL                      - 23(+0)
     Chart                    - 22(+0)
     BASIC                    - 17(+0)
     filters and storage      - 17(+1)
     Writer: doc filter       - 15(+0)
     graphics stack           - 12(+0)
     Formula Editor           - 5(+1)
     framework                - 4(+0)
     Extensions               - 2(+0)
     sdk                      - 2(+0)
     Linguistic               - 1(+0)

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