Re-sending the minutes with a few end-of-meeting tweaks and additions:
Present: Jonathan, Eyal, Martin, John, Heiko
Comments: Mike, Tex2002ans, Stuart
Tickets/Topics
* Highlight column & row of first search result (even when Column/Row
Highlighting is disabled)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164978
+ disagree with the issue, cell frame is a sufficient indicator
(Heiko)
+ Excel offers this as an option "[ ] Show Auto Highlight"
+ not against (Eyal)
=> accept with low priority and wait for volunteer
* Invert "Do show again" wherever it's asked
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169313
+ agree (Mike)
+ “I understand what this does and no longer need to be told”
(Tex2002ans)
+ different wording like "[x] Always ask for confirmation" or
"[x] Always confirm" (Eyal)
+ another button next to No/Yes "Yes, don't ask again" (Eyal)
+ "[ ] Do not show again" sounds more familiar (Jonathan, John,
Martin)
+ wonder about negating-agnostic languages (Jonathan)
+ internal names might be not logical anymore like
QueryOverwriteMode = no means to show the query again, if the
checkbox logic is inverted; could be solved by new variable
names (Heiko)
=> ask the OP
* Conceptual clash between color scheme on export and during display
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167292
+ inspired by a Reddit rant
+ print preview is WYSIWYG (Stuart)
+ a11y warning about low contrast is effective (Heiko)
+ could be shown on the print dialog as infobar "There are
a11y warning, please check"
+ would not cover all cases such as Save (Eyal)
+ needs to be on the print preview, on the PDF export and
as messagebox for print direct (to PDF) workflows
=> comment
* Strategy for increasing likelihood of auto-enabling full
RTL-CTL/CJK UI support
+ https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2025/msg00099.html
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164250
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168719
+ Tools > Options > Languages: toggles for RTL/CTL and for CJK have
been removed, which needs to be confirmed or rejected
=> can be reverted if unpopular (Jonathan)
+ alternative is to introduce some heuristics or to allow disabling
+ happy enable all and wait for user complaints (Heiko)
+ Am worried we will get complaints due to making some UI more
complex for users who don't need RTL support, but ok with doing
it (Eyal)
+ Paragraph alignment
=> default is still Left, no time to switch to Start before 26.2
release (Jonathan)
+ in the long run or middle term we should change this (Heiko,
Eyal)
+ Paragraph alignment at the toolbar
+ still left/right/centered/justified
+ should become start/end/centered/justified (in some to-be-
determined order) and left/right optionally but hidden by default
(Heiko, Eyal, Jonathan)
+ Start/End should be available for customization in master
(Jonathan)
=> special icons missing for Start/End or rather the legancy Left/
Right (and we may adjust the icons for Right/Left)
+ Text direction
+ default Left-To-Right (horizontal) or RTL depending on locale
setting
+ discoverability of this option as a means of changing the default
direction is insufficient (Eyal)
+ vertical for Mongolian, for example, is not detected/setup yet
(Jonathan)
+ should be done later (Eyal)
=> mostly done, changes are effective, waiting for user feedback
On 03/12/2025 22:15, Heiko Tietze wrote:
Present: Jonathan, Eyal, Martin, John, Heiko
Comments: Mike, Tex2002ans, Stuart
Tickets/Topics
* Highlight column & row of first search result (even when Column/Row
Highlighting is disabled)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164978
+ disagree with the issue, cell frame is a sufficient indicator (Heiko)
+ Excel offers this as an option "[ ] Show Auto Highlight"
+ not against (Eyal)
=> accept with low priority and wait for volunteers
* Invert "Do show again" wherever it's asked
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169313
+ agree (Mike)
+ “I understand what this does and no longer need to be
told” (Tex2002ans)
+ different wording like "[x] Always ask for confirmation" or
"[x] Always confirm" (Eyal)
+ another button next to No/Yes "Yes, don't ask again" (Eyal)
+ "[ ] Do not show again" sounds more familiar (Jonathan, John, Martin)
+ wonder about negating-agnostic languages (Jonathan)
+ internal names might be not logical anymore like
QueryOverwriteMode = no
means to show the query again, if the checkbox logic is inverted;
could
be solved by new variable names (Heiko)
=> ask the OP
* Conceptual clash between color scheme on export and during display
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167292
+ inspired by a Reddit rant
+ print preview is WYSIWYG (Stuart)
+ a11y warning about low contrast is effective (Heiko)
+ could be shown on the print dialog as infobar "There are
a11y warning, please check"
+ would not cover all cases such as Save (Eyal)
+ needs to be on the print preview, on the PDF export and
as messagebox for print direct (to PDF) workflows
=> comment
* Strategy for increasing likelihood of auto-enabling full
RTL-CTL/CJK UI support
+ https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2025/msg00099.html
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164250
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168719
+ Tools > Options > Languages: toggles for RTL and CTL/CJK has been
removed, which needs to be confirmed
=> can be reverted if unpopular (Jonathan)
+ alternative is to introduce some heuristics or to allow disabling
+ happy enable all and wait for user complaints (Heiko)
+ Paragraph alignment
=> default is still Left, no time to switch to Start (Jonathan)
+ in the long run or middle term we should change this (Heiko)
+ Paragraph alignment at the toolbar
+ still left/right/centered/justified
+ should become start/end/centered/justified and left/right
optionally
but hidden by default (Heiko, Eyal, Jonathan)
+ start/end should be available for customization in master
(Jonathan)
=> special icons missing for start/end or rather the legacy left/
right
+ Text direction
+ default Left-To-Right (horizontal) or RTL depending on locale
setting
+ vertical for Mongolian, for example, is not detected/setup yet
(Jonathan)
+ should be done later (Eyal)
=> mostly done, changes are effective, waiting for user feedback
