* Present: + Jan-Marek, Robinson, Christian, Sophie, Stephan, Norbert, Oliver, Jan I, Kendy, Miklos, Michael M, Eike, Thorsten, Andras, Michael S, Bubli, Jacobo, Muthu, Bjoern * Completed Action Items: * Pending Action Items: + please cleanup / merge mentoring page (JanI) [ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mentors https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FindTheExpert ] + UserAgent - drop bundled-languages (Michael) + UserAgent - produce a patch for review (Michael) + reach-out to Beta Co-working guy to book pre-FOSDEM hackfest (Bjoern) * Release Engineering update (Christian) + 4.4.6 RC3 + requests for a re-spin re: + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/19660 + fine with a 4.4.7 instead (Eike) AI: + add a 4.4.7 to the release-plan (Cloph) + 5.1.0 Alpha 1 + out on pre-releases, and testers will be using for bug-hunting this weekend + branch scheduled in week starting Nov 16th - Week 47 + 5.0.3 - RC2 status + will be published on mirrors today, + announced alongside 4.4.6 as final next week. + Android & iOS Remote + identified some problems in the hack-fest, not fixed yet. + Tomaz also working on this (Michael) * MSVC 2015 (David O., Stephan) + Mostly working, lots of work done. + after the hack-fest works - modulo this issue: + <https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/msvc-x86_64#Ongoing_efforts_to_support_MSVC_14.0_.28aka_VS_2015.29> + "address wrong MSI merge library installation location problem for C runtime" + can we get a tinderbox up and running ? + should we make this the default for 5.1 ? (Michael) + can re-purpose one of the Mac-mini for VS 2013 (tb) (Norbert) + for main-workload don't want multiple toolchains. + ideally move to support it properly in 5.1 + when 5.0 is EOL - switch everything to use VS 2013. => plan to drop MSVC 2013 for LO 5.2 if LO 5.1 is building too. + when we obsolete 5.0 + base-line of build-OS (not run-time) should be raised to Windows 2016 at the same time (Cloph) AI: + kind offer to setup an MSVC2015 tinderbox vs. master (Thorsten) + community edition ? (Jmux) + is that also 2015 ? + also available (Cloph) + harder to get the 2013 free version currently. + internally build with the pro version (Norbert) + good to build with the community version. * gerrit version (Michael) + old gerrit / not updating it ? + already did an update this year; updates are stressful (Norbert) + some UI change - needed to be approved (Norbert) + checked who was using old UI (Michael) + not much of a problem wrt. the old change-set UI. + planned event - somewhere beginning of next year (Norbert) + the new version enables on-line editing of patches ? (Bubli) + are the benefits big enough ? + quite impressed, but every change can cause grief + won't change anything you see Bubli (Michael) + concerned server already slow enough (Miklos) + could make it worse ? just a concern / not measured. + Open to offers of people wanting to upgrade & fix it (Norbert) + critical tar-baby / ongoing maintenance needed. * UX Update (Kendy) + call yesterday, 32x pixel breeze icons + have a big theme, will have another choice - extra-large + sorted out what should be in toolbars, sidebars, dialogs etc. + blog post to follow for feedback. + pending on infra to create design blog (cf. redmine ticket) + https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/1505 AI: + talk to Alex tomorrow (Cloph) + NotebookBar bits + some ideas already; but missed Samuel (getting Married) + either ~non-context-sensitive toolbar-like or something more familiar. * Documentation (Kendy) + new release still pending. + Regina did a nice demo of the xmlhelp stuff at the hackfest (Michael) + pending tasks: still should look at paragraph-ids & remove from translation tools. + fixed the xmlhelp / icon images not themed properly (Stephan) + more hackfest goodness. * Crashtest update (Caolán on vacation) + ? import failures, ? export failures, ??? coverity issues + updates next week ... + asan+ubsan crashtest run * Hamburg Hackfest retrospective (Bubli) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2015 + nice demo from Regina, already mentioned. + nice demo from David - new Gerrit UI. + some healthy mixture of the experienced and the newer. + on Sunday - one arriving from the street. + new bugs filed; some even fixed + interesting impress deployment in electronic msg. boards in schools. + thanks to CIB for hosting it (Michael) + are willing to host the next hack-fest. + encouraging - that CIB people & some old-hands using Windows (Bjoern) + discussing VS. integration etc. + hopefully this brings more Linux/Windows breakages to parity. + great to see several sympathetic Sun superheros. + some good mentoring done too. + the Cloph / VMs worked well too (Bjoern) + evening meet & greet - better to start earlier (Bjoern) + can get speakers in-place; and a topic to invite for ? * Hackfests (Bjoern) + Could we join the GNOME hack-fest in Madrid ? (Bjoern) + booked a room. + if they get 5x more LibreOffice hackers - would be good. + 3x confirmed people: Bubli, JanI, Bjoern. + volunteers are invited. + may attend the hack-fest (Jacobo) + no wiki page yet Dec 2nd -> 4th planned. + waiting for confirmation. + FOSDEM / Beta Co-working (Bjoern) + looked at conference room costs: Eur 500/day + next venues / suggestions + incoming US venue suggestion (Bubli) + dave_largo - would be happy to host a hack-fest + they have the venue & users & connectivity. + do they have local developers / hackers ? AI: + chat Dave (Robinson) + Belgium another candidate ... + perhaps again at Las Palmas (Thorsten) * l10n Update (Sophie) + 5.1 translation is going on, everythign is fine. * Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten) + newly appointed: Mihai Varga, Oliver Specht, Philippe Jung + congratulations etc. Italo to send out certificates. + odd that others are easily competent enough - but nervous of being called certified (Kendy) + fear of being called at night ? (Stephan) + [ to hire you (Michael) ] + perhaps best to get them to hack-fests & encourage in-person (Thorsten) + nudge: opt out not in ? (Michael) + pending 7 weeks ... * Jenkins update (Norbert) from:Thu Oct 22 14:49:45 2015 master linux rel jobs:187 ok:182 ko:5 fail ratio:2.67% break:5 broken duration:4.4% master linux dbg jobs:135 ok:128 ko:5 fail ratio:3.7% break:3 broken duration:3.18% master mac rel jobs:183 ok:179 ko:4 fail ratio:2.18% break:2 broken duration:0.62% master mac dbg jobs:174 ok:168 ko:6 fail ratio:3.44% break:3 broken duration:1.03% master win rel jobs:82 ok:71 ko:11 fail ratio:13.41% break:5 broken duration:13.17% master win dbg jobs:130 ok:111 ko:19 fail ratio:14.61% break:17 broken duration:11.25% master win64 dbg jobs:123 ok:108 ko:15 fail ratio:12.19% break:11 broken duration:12.08% lo-4.4 mac jobs:4 ok:4 ko:0 fail ratio:0% break:0 broken duration:0% gerrit win rel jobs:187 ok:122 ko:64 fail ratio:34.22% gerrit lin rel jobs:199 ok:181 ko:18 fail ratio:9.04% gerrit mac rel jobs:200 ok:173 ko:27 fail ratio:13.5% gerrit all jobs:186 ok:115 ko:70 fail ratio:37.63% + not too bad this week. + a new linux box is now online, tb75 (aka lil...@documentfoundation.org) + another one -- tb76 aka mag...@documentfoundation.org) being prepared. + these do a full cold build in 20-25 minutes (depending on release/debug/dbgutil) + full hot build is in the 7-8 minutes ranges + incremental no-op: a couple of minutes + tb63 and tb64 (VM) will be decommisionned. + tb65(ec2) has been stopped, keeping it on stand-by as needed. + plan: add a job to do a 'tdf-release' build tinderbox + plan: configure tb76 to be able to do ubsan. + would love help from sberg. + plan to increase the diversity of load: a TB as close as possible to release (for Linux) * Easy Hacks: + new easy-hacks thanks to: + Bubli & Bjoern + http://bit.ly/1KR4HWX + create your own by setting whiteboard to eg. "easyHack difficultyBeginner skillCpp topicCleanup" + create new easy hacks from these proposed ones (or remove the whiteboard keyword "needsDevEval" if not feasible): https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard=needsDevEval * QA update (Robinson) + UNCONFIRMED at 498 + 21 bugs in UX-advise + up slightly. + needAdvice at 15 + BugHunting Session for 5.1 starts tomorrow! (Fri-Sat-Sun) + Specific features/improvements/bugs that need testing? Please list them here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugHunting_Session_5.1.0.0#What_to_test + Most Pressing Bugs: http://ur1.ca/nkp0t + tdf#94063 - EDITING References break when putting text behind them + tdf#91789 - UI: Crash on exit after format header + bibisected; bjoern? as per comment 5 seems to be a regression from f7424ed7 from Zolnai + ran into a tough user-recently (Norbert) + would love to have an 'abandoned' status ... + description can't reproduce, won't share the document + closed -> "works for me" + but perhaps better to have an 'abandoned' status: + no value judgement etc. + at RedHat have "insufficient data" (Eike) + happy with that (Norbert) + sounds like 'needinfo' (Bjoern) + launchpad 'Expired' - auto convert after 90x days of no data (Bjoern) + avoid the 'works for me' - can irritate the reporter + not the right status (Robinson)s + resolved->invalid currently. => come up with a proposal mail for this new node in the graph (Robinson) * Thoughts on global current frame foo ? (Michael) + if intention is to get rid of it - huge chunk of work (Miklos) + nasty hack around existing global state. * QA stats + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html +170 -106 (+64 overall) many thanks to the top bug squashers: Beluga 20 Dennis Roczek 10 Maxim Monastirsky 9 Joel Madero 4 Julien Nabet 4 Christian Lohmaier 4 Markus Mohrhard 4 m.a.riosv 3 raal 3 Jean-Baptiste Faure 3 Jacques Guilleron 2 László Németh 2 Andrzej Hunt 2 Xisco Faulí 2 V Stuart Foote 2 * Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"): 5.0: 12/48 - 25% +1 4.4: 10/70 - 14% +0 4.3: 6/67 - 8% +0 4.2: 11/132 - 8% -1 4.1: 4/79 - 5% +0 4.0: 11/81 - 13% +0 old: 39/246 - 15% +0 * Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibisected' + 341/1089 330/1074 324/1064 322/1047 324/1039 325/1029 330/1028 + http://tdf.io/bibibugs * all bugs tagged with 'regression' + stats are for two weeks ... + 703(+17) bugs open of 4365(+26) total 45(+0) high prio. * ~Component count net * high severity regressions Calc - 20 (+1) Writer - 13 (-1) LibreOffice - 7 (+0) Impress - 2 (+0) UI - 1 (+0) filters and storage - 1 (+0) Base - 1 (+0) + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E * ~Component count net * all regressions Writer - 237 (+5) Calc - 151 (+7) Crashes - 53 (+2) Impress - 51 (-2) LibreOffice - 48 (+3) UI - 43 (-2) graphics stack - 30 (+3) Borders - 28 (+0) Base - 24 (+0) Draw - 21 (+0) filters and storage - 16 (+0) Printing and PDF export- 11 (+0) Chart - 10 (-1) BASIC - 10 (+0) Formula Editor - 5 (+0) Extensions - 2 (+0) framework - 2 (+0) Linguistic - 2 (-1) sdk - 1 (+0) + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
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