Hello,

I've just created the event for FOSDEM and now I see it as 'undifined' in the events section. Is that correct and enough for the event creation?


Regards

El 01/12/16 a les 19:32, Michael Meeks ha escrit:
* Present:
     + Thorsten, Stephan, Heiko, Björn, Olivier, Kendy,
       janI, Caolán, Michael S, Jan-Marek, Eike, Sophie,
       Miklos, Xisco, Andras (left 16:25), Christian, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:
     + marked osl::Condition deprecated (Michael)
* Pending Action Items:
     + poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
     + ask Tamás Bunth how he feels about Firebird default (Lionel)
     + move git-dm to gerrit (Norbert)
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
     + 5.2.4.1 status (Cloph)
         + tagged, and announced  for early testing
         + RC2 in two weeks
     + 5.3.0 Beta1 & branch
         + Late features:
              + separating images and icons for help modules (Olivier, Bubli)
             + misc. PDF signing / embedding bits (Miklos)
                 + most probably finished the next week
             + Firebird by default ? (Lionel)
                 => suggest to enable this on master for 5.4
     + 5.3.0 Beta2 the next week (Cloph)
         + bugfixes + update of the translation templates
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
         + tinderbox breakage, fixed
         + preparing a new build based on the branch-off tag -> app-store 
tomorrow.
         + updated the application icon, and released the new version
     + online (Michael)
        + branched for -5-3
* FOSDEM talks
      + https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM17/event/new
        https://penta.fosdem.org/user/new_account/FOSDEM17 if you don’t have 
account yet
      + DEADLINE is Monday!
      + 20 minutes sessions is fine! :-)
      + who is going  ?
          + Xisco: interoperability regression testing
          + Kendy: Something wrt. Online
          + Andras: ???
          + Bjoern: IDE integration (already submitted), SwClient/Modify 
Horrorshow (possibly)
          + Stephan: Extensions
          + cloph: no topic yet
          + Heiko: Contextual groups Notebookbar
          + Olivier: XHP in your browser
           + caolan: gtk3 and wayland status
           + Eike: ?
          + Thorsten/Bubli/Samuel/Armin: TBD tomorrow
          + Michael: “threading nightmares”

* Documentation (Olivier)
      + important patch from Bubli that need to go in 5.3
          + separating images and icons for help modules
               + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30958/
               + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30959/
          + why not just push it ? (Michael)
                + will mark tons of strings as modified in pootle (Thorsten)
                        + unless we can avoid touching the strings ? (Olivier)
                        + perhaps a script; but script neeeds writing (Sophie)
                + somewhat less motivated to push for 5.3 here (Thorsten)
                        + do we really need this in 5.3 ?
                        + will be screenshots (Olivier)
                        + unlikely help authors will need the screen-shotting 
for 5-3- (Thorsten)
                => defer and script properly for master; re-visit next week.
                        + Cloph has script templates
                                + but needs examples of the changes to the UI 
files.
AI:                     + provide information for cloph on what the change is 
(Olivier)
       + Several patches into help by Gabor Kelemen,
              + janitoring Math deleted features
       + New chapters of books to be revised
       + Brazilians finished Getting started Guide 5.0, will publish next week
       + So far we have issues with translations;
                templates for PT_br are not up-loaded.
                It is included (Sophie)
* UX Update (Heiko)
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
     257(257) (topicUI) bugs open, 494(494) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated 
by the UXteam
    + Updates:
        BZ changes   1 week   1 month    3 months   12 months
             added      7(1)     21(5)      65(0)      492(5)
         commented     54(9)    235(41)    987(51)    2825(64)
           removed      0(0)      1(-1)     26(0)       30(0)
          resolved      7(7)     16(-23)   112(2)      128(6)
    + top 10 contributors:
          Heiko Tietze made 55 changes in 1 month, and 525 changes in 1 year
          Yousuf Philips made 14 changes in 1 month, and 408 changes in 1 year
          *UNKNOWN* made 13 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
          *UNKNOWN* made 13 changes in 1 month, and 103 changes in 1 year
          Samuel Mehrbrodt made 10 changes in 1 month, and 47 changes in 1 year
          Rene Engelhard made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
          Tor Lillqvist made 8 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 year
          *UNKNOWN* made 8 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 year
          Björn Michaelsen made 7 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
          V Stuart Foote made 6 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year
   + hot topics
    + concerns wrt. The new landing page layout for Help
      + happy to improve look & UK (Olivier)
          + if content stays the same, no prblem to improve the look.
    + color palettes
      work in progress
      + patches are applied etc.
      + if you’re against renaming the branding colours comment etc.
      + Kudos – to Stephan
          + for making it possible to have Extensions including Color Palettes
          + to be included into 5-3 via a rather small patch
    + copy/paste numbered lists  with different behavior as Windows
      + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92672
          + WFM even better
      + different behaviour here; need dev. Input
          + our behaviour is more consistent (Thorsten)
         + outline numbering is a nightmare (Michael)
    + api change
      https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104088
     .uno:InsertPageNumber / .uno:HeaderAndFooter
         + produces the same dialog.
         + easy hack; on-off for page-numbers ?
             + Bubli said it’s not an easy hack (JanI)
         + API change needs discussing in the ESC (JanI)
         + Change UNO command in impress – to insert-page-number
         + Not sure why the change is needed ? (Cloph)
             + easy to find, easy to locate in the menu; don’t change dialog 
itself.
         + UNO commands not visible to users (Kendy)
             + could break scripts etc.
         + don’t care about UNO commands, but the menu.
         + unclear what the user wants (Kendy)
             + he expects a toggle function (Heiko)
         => come up with a clearer proposal.
    + blog post about versioning
     
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xyndmOMAG2knwKK5lXQMm7pSkdHF7i4rdDYzKI1xemc
      (postponed for next week)
         + do other people like ODF versioning inside ODF ? (Michael)
             + unique feature – confusing to users ? (Miklos)
             + confusing, and hard to explain (Bjoern)
             + unclear if it is worth limiting it if its in ODF ? (Thorsten)
                + horror nested revision control issues (Michael)
                + if we publicise it people will use it & find nasty bugs 
(Bjoern)
                        + lets get the foundation right first.

* Crashtest update (Caolan)
     + 0 import failure, 32 export failures
       - erack fixed them, no build in progress
     + 20 coverity.
        - no update

* POSS / ODF plugest (Thorsten/Michael)
     + great conference, lovely people, friendly stuff
     + great LibreOffice booth run by local French Community:
          + thanks to all involved with that.
     + the ODF plug-testing UI is interesting (Thorsten)
          + https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en
AI:      + investigate it for test automation (Xisco)
          + doesn’t need deep technical skills.
     + JOS requested a backend server (Michael S)
          + bit of a pain to setup.

* Hackfests (Bjoern)
     + next venues / suggestions
     + 33c3 CfP open (Bjoern):
               + 
https://events.ccc.de/2016/09/01/call-for-participation-33rd-chaos-communication-congress-en/
         + FSFE will be there, we can meet up with them.
     + FOSDEM - confirmed dev-room (Michael)
         +     3rd Feb 2017 - board (+MC) meetings.
         + 4th/5th Feb 2017 - core FOSDEM dates
         + 6th/7th Feb 2017 - Hackfest at Beta Coworking.
                   + http://bedfordhotelcongresscentre.com/ suggested instead.
         + CfP going out at some stage.
                         + CfP has been out for a while and ends early 
December. (jani)
                         + 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2016/11/04/fosdem-call-for-papers-open-document-editors-devroom/
         + collect talks nearer the event.
* mentoring/easyhack update (janI)
   + openhub statistics based on analysis from 2016-11-29
      1598(1598) people did in total: 443675(443675) commits in 
8301307(8301307) lines of code
      284(284) people did in 12 month: 15495(15495) commits
    + gerrit/git statistics:
        committer...   1 week     1 month     3 months     12 months
                open      32(-1)      55(0)       62(3)         62(3)
             reviews     364(-16)   1252(1)     3497(-83)    17474(29)
              merged     248(93)     815(73)    2187(89)      8528(158)
           abandoned      12(-2)      46(6)      137(0)        649(12)
             commits     286(-5)    1318(-44)   3863(-112)   15516(-136)
        contributor...   1 week     1 month     3 months    12 months
                  open      23(10)      43(9)       46(5)        46(5)
               reviews     609(172)   1767(196)   4432(189)   17440(315)
                merged      29(-5)     112(8)      353(-3)     1287(-7)
             abandoned       8(6)       16(4)       51(3)       416(-4)
               commits      56(-8)     241(12)     861(-26)    4098(-11)
    + easyHack statistics:
       needsDevEval 18(18)   needsUXEval 4(4)   cleanup_comments 192(192)
       total 236(236)   assigned 13(13)   open 199(199)
    + received patches from 1 emails the last month without licesense statement
    + top 5 contributors:
          Gabor Kelemen made 39 patches in 1 month, and 141 patches in 1 year
          Zdenek Crhonek made 21 patches in 1 month, and 301 patches in 1 year
          Bartosz Kosiorek made 15 patches in 1 month, and 26 patches in 1 year
          melike made 7 patches in 1 month, and 14 patches in 1 year
          Lera Goncharuk made 5 patches in 1 month, and 5 patches in 1 year
    + top 5 reviewers:
          jan iversen made 177 review comments in 1 month, and 1668 in 1 year
          Markus Mohrhard made 119 review comments in 1 month, and 1602 in 1 
year
          Noel Grandin made 119 review comments in 1 month, and 1210 in 1 year
          Eike Rathke made 110 review comments in 1 month, and 1288 in 1 year
          Caolán McNamara made 82 review comments in 1 month, and 1389 in 1 year
    + big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, 
since last report:
          Pierre Lepage
          Lera Goncharuk
          Yossi Zahn
          John Paul Adrian Glaubitz

    + gitdm-config, outstanding: git-committer(0), gitdm-aliases(83), 
git-author(254)
    +  Developer page, getting outdated, do we want that ?
        + 6 new devs; one updated the page.
        + in absence of guidance from Norbert (Michael)
           + worth keeping the page up-to-date, but not treating it as 
authoritative
           + needed by core devs to check people have statements (Miklos)

* GCC -Og (Michael S)
    + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31334/
       + discovered this new option supported since 4.8 or so.
       + promised that this should not impact debuggability of code
         but still a bit optimized.
       + found a from-scratch build, a tiny-bit slower; 75 vs. 76 minutes.
       + a ‘make check’ incremental runs much faster:
          + 15mins before to 12mins with -Og
    + devs don’t usually re-build from scratch; should be faster in practice.
       + did some debugging yesterday too …
       + it can happen that variables that are no longer live are optimised out
       + otherwise nothing problematic.
    + assume most of the win from calc / templates ? (Michael M)
       + some 30% win there (Michael S)
    + still use explicit options to tell gcc not to inline (Michael S)
       + try removing those ?
    + Googled for it (Jmux)
       + -Og is same as -O1 except for some settings.
    => turn -Og on for a bit and see how it goes.

* Re-organising which rules tests run under (Markus, Michael S, David)
     => punt 1 more week for Markus' return and/or to the list.
     + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31075/
     + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31075/
* Commit Access

* Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
     + sleeping 2 weeks.

* Jenkins / CI update (Norbert)
* Hardware issues (Michael)
     + Khaled – Windows – hardware on the way to him.
     + Mac -> x5 issue.
     + Swiss Mac – currently idling (Cloph)
         + not sure if we have physical hardware left

* l10n (Sophie)
     + some languages didn’t get updated
         + Christian has triggered a new update today, so the issue should be 
solved
     + LibreOffice Online pot update in Pootle?
         + will double check if it is really up-to-date or not (Cloph)
     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104087
        (templates containing non-english strings) – worth fixing? (cloph)
         + will take a look (Sophie)

* Window::dispose() crashers (Michael)
     + had a poke at the top crash reported traces
         + fixed a proximate cause.
     + at some point Armin looked into a shape issue (Caolan)
         + one type of shape carries a lot of resources around with it
               see fix in e6adb3e8b4de3c0f78d249b83de19b849ef65b59
         + is the existing bug related to that ?
     + EditEngine – creating a new VirtualDevice
         + why do we create tousands of these during save ?
         + back in the day (Thorsten)
               + serious issue on terminal services: even more limited.
         + AI: add GDI object use count to crash reporter (Michael)
         + may be behind missing bitmaps, black windows etc. (Michael, Thorsen)
     + QA tip: checking GDI handle explosions:
        + 10k GDI handles is the limit:
            + 
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dsui_team/2013/04/23/debugging-a-gdi-resource-leak/
     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102688
         + huge numbers of EditEngine created during export
            + each with three 'idle/timers' for spell-checking etc. (huh?)

* QA update (Xisco)
     + UNCONFIRMED: 532 (-5)
         + enhancements: 47 (+7)
         + needsUXEval: 4 (+2)
         + haveBackTrace: 16 (+1)
         + needsDevAdvice: 37 (+3)

     + Finding lots more regressions in PPTX using regression finding tool 
(Xisco)
         + hence some of the spike this week
         + will take a while to find & fix (Miklos)
+ Most Pressing Bugs: http://tdf.io/mostressingbugs
        + Couple of critical firebird regressions.
         + is it going to be default in 5.3 ?
            + unclear – cf. Lionel’s action item
          + macOS: newly created Base files cause crash in mdworker
                + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104083
         + macOS: libreoffice crash on startup, VCL thread mutex condition
                 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103690
         + FILEOPEN: DOCX: Chart bars not imported
                 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103963
         + macOS: CRASH newly created Base files cause crash in mdworker ...
                 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104083
         + no app-icon regression:
                 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103626
         + macOS: LO closed then opening any document by double-click never...
                 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77444

     + Mail merge regressions: http://tdf.io/mmregressions
         + 4 open; 4 open last meeting

* QA stats

   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
     +144    -125       (+19 overall)
     many thanks to the top bug squashers:
         Buovjaga              15
         Xisco Faulí           13
         Adolfo Jayme          11
         Julien Nabet           8
         Aron Budea             7
         V Stuart Foote         7
         Telesto                5
         Khaled Hosny           5
         Yousuf Philips (jay)   5
         Alex Thurgood          4
         Luke                   4
         Heiko Tietze           3
         Zolnai Tamás           3
         Justin L               3
         Timur                  3

        + Can we improve these stats ? (Xisco)
           + would love to have people doing QA work (Michael)
               + and also developers who fixed bugs

* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
         5.2: 2/22   -  9%
         5.1: 2/32   -  6%
         5.0: 3/57   -  5%
         4.4: 5/74   -  6%
         4.3: 4/69   -  5%
         4.2: 6/132  -  4%
         4.1: 4/79   -  5%
         4.0: 5/82   -  6%
         old: 29/247 - 11%

         + http://bit.ly/2dp3mwC

* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
     + more accurate - down to a single commit.
     + 303/1087 292/1061 261/1015 261/1003 261/996 259/988 245/891
        + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy

* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
     + 378/1618 366/1593 348/1557 350/1545 352/1538 351/1530 345/1516
         + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
     + 722(+19) bugs open of 5462(+42) total 14(+5) high prio.

         * ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
                   Base - 4 (+2)
            LibreOffice - 3 (+1)
                Writer  - 2 (+1)
                   Calc - 2 (+0)
       filter / storage - 1 (+1)
                Impress - 1 (+0)
                  Chart - 1 (+0)

                 + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E

                by OS:
                        + All - 6
                        + Mac - 5
                        + Win - 2
                        + Lin - 1

         * ~Component   count net * all regressions
           Writer: other - 125 (-17)
                    Calc - 117 (+1)
                 Impress - 66 (+4)
            Writer: docx - 59 (+19)
             LibreOffice - 54 (+1)
                      UI - 38 (+0)
          graphics stack - 36 (-1)
                    Base - 35 (+3)
             Writer: doc - 32 (+6)
                    Draw - 29 (+0)
                 Borders - 28 (+1)
                 Crashes - 30 (+4)
        filter / storage - 19 (+1)
          Writer: filter - 20 (+3)
                   Chart - 16 (+0)
      print / PDF export - 16 (+0)
                   BASIC - 10 (+0)
            Writer: perf - 11 (+2)
               framework -  3 (+0)
              Extensions -  2 (-1)
            Installation -  1 (+0)
                     sdk -  1 (+0)
          Formula Editor -  1 (+0)
                 + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
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