I think the FSF definition of "Free Software" should be "Libre Software". "Libre" is very specific and cannot be interpreted as "Free as in beer", which is Spanish would be "gratis". Libre, sounds more worldly than "free", and it's much clearer. R
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:28 PM, < [email protected]> wrote: > Send libreplanet-discuss mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of libreplanet-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Technology Integration in Education (Joel Kahn) > 2. Re: New GNU (Robert Martinez) > 3. Re: New GNU (John Sullivan) > 4. Re: New GNU (Jason Self) > 5. Re: New GNU ( Micha? 'rysiek' =?utf-8?q?_Wo=C5=BAniak?=) > 6. Free Electronic Voting Software / hardware? > ([email protected]) > 7. Re: New GNU (Richard Stallman) > 8. Re: New GNU (Richard Stallman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 11:22:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: Joel Kahn <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: [libreplanet-discuss] Technology Integration in Education > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Technology Integration in Education (TIE) . . . > > http://www.technologyintegrationineducation.com/ > > . . . is looking for experts to speak, in 45-minute > webinars, on various topics related to integrating > technology with education. Contacts: > > Greg Limperis > [email protected] > > Nick Mark > [email protected] > > Best of luck. > > Joel > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 22:33:35 +0200 > From: Robert Martinez <[email protected]> > To: Dave Crossland <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] New GNU > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > > On 11/05/12 07:23, Dave Crossland wrote: > >> I think a sustainable "free software" label is missing > > I think the GPL functions as this. I know people who don't use > > GNU+Linux as their main OS but who search for GPL software (eg they > > web search for 'gpl cd burning windows') > > > > The GPL is far from being a label: > > _it is a license, and a special one with an important twist > (and therefore quite abstract and hard to explain) > _it is intransparent and scattered into GPL, GPLv3, AGPL, LGPL,.... > _it is not equal to the term "free software", there is lots of > free software that does not and cannot carry that label > > It is way too hard to know if certain applications actually ARE free > software as described by the fsf. > The label that misses would not have to be a big legal document that > works for code projects. > It should be just that: a label. > Your 5 step theory points to the ultimate goal: "software freedom matters." > But what is that insight good for if people cannot recognize it? > Interested people would are drawn to more popular labels like "the > linux" or "open source", get attracted to the nice superficial > principles and loose the awareness of the importance of freedom. > > My point is: we need a label for fsf approved "free software". There is > none. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:38:26 -0400 > From: John Sullivan <[email protected]> > To: Robert Martinez <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] New GNU > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Robert Martinez <[email protected]> writes: > > > My point is: we need a label for fsf approved "free software". There > > is none. > > > > This is an interesting point. If we had a nice graphic, saying such, we > could encourage people to display it, with a link to > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html. > > Also, we are trying to turn http://directory.fsf.org into something that > could fill this purpose. That should hold all free software that can be > run on a free operating system. There would then be a badge/label/button > which can be displayed elsewhere to indicate that the program is > verified as such. It's a work in progress, but that's where we're > headed. > > -john > > -- > John Sullivan | Executive Director, Free Software Foundation > GPG Key: 61A0963B | http://identi.ca/johnsu01 | http://fsf.org/blogs/RSS > > Do you use free software? Donate to join the FSF and support freedom at > <http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=8096>. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:41:26 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Jason Self" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] New GNU > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > John Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote .. > > This is an interesting point. If we had a nice graphic, saying such, we > > could encourage people to display it, with a link to > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html. > > I have always liked this: > http://trisquel.info/logos/libre.png > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 197 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/attachments/20120511/58c3345a/attachment.pgp > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 01:02:56 +0200 > From: " Micha? 'rysiek' =?utf-8?q?_Wo=C5=BAniak?=" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] New GNU > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dnia sobota, 12 maja 2012 o 00:41:26 Jason Self napisa?(a): > > John Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote .. > > > > > This is an interesting point. If we had a nice graphic, saying > > > such, we could encourage people to display it, with a link to > > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html. > > > > I have always liked this: > > http://trisquel.info/logos/libre.png > > I think Creative Commons got it right. Few simple icons, showing just > how much freedom one has - in our case this could be e.g.: > > "Free Software" > "Runs on Free Operating System(s)" > "Runs in-browser"/"Web-app" > etc. > > -- > Pozdrawiam > Micha? "rysiek" Wo?niak > > Fundacja Wolnego i Otwartego Oprogramowania > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 316 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. > URL: < > http://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/attachments/20120512/d340d1b0/attachment.pgp > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 02:05:00 +0000 (UTC) > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [libreplanet-discuss] Free Electronic Voting Software / > hardware? > Message-ID: > < > 1016041457.445734.1336788300368.javamail.r...@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hello, > > I'm an elected Town Meeting member in Billerica, MA. We have just passed > an article to implement electronic voting at future Town Meetings (Target > date is the fall 2012 session), and I have been appointed to the committee > that will be choosing the hardware and software that will be used. > > Does any one know of an EVS system that uses Free / Open software? > > This is not for elections and other widely dispersed voting such as the > Debian folks use - it is more of an "audience response" system. We have an > approximate maximum of 250 representatives, that all meet in the same room > at the same time, and vote on things as a body. The electronic voting > system will be replacing the use of voice votes, standing counts and other > such methods. > > The assumption is that each representative will have some form of > "clicker" on the order of a simple TV remote control that they will use > indicate their vote, with some sort of wireless data collection and > tabulation. Obviously the hardware for such a system will need to be > purchased (and there are many vendors of such systems), but I'd like to > choose a system that used FLOSS for the software side of it.... > > An approximate list of system requirements... > > 1. Support for at least 250 representatives - who must be individually > identifiable, as recent changes in our Open Meeting laws seem to require > that votes be done in a roll-call manner, as well as preventing double > voting, etc. > > 2. For better or worse, must be capable of interoperating with the > existing Town software infrastructure, which is mostly proprietary > (Microsoft) based. > > 3. Ideally be limited in range so that only representatives that are > actually IN the room at the time can vote (so that all debate is heard, we > don't want folks voting who are out in the hall or in the restroom voting > w/o having heard the debate...) > > 4. Must have the ability to support electronic "queuing" to more readily > allow people wishing to speak on an issue to line up (currently this is one > of our most controversial problems as manually looking for raised hands > inevitably leads to "race conditions" of who was first, and whether or not > people were seen, etc...) > > 5. Support at least Yes, No, and Abstain votes, quorum counts, and other > such measures that a meeting might require. (while staying reasonably > simple and "user friendly") > > 6. Use hardware that is readily available and likely to continue to remain > so, in order to allow replacement of lost / broken voting units. The > voting hardware should also be ADA compliant / handicapped usable. > > 7. Be easy for the people doing check-in / out to administer in terms of > distributing the voting units and collecting them at the end of a meeting. > (during any given meeting, a particular rep. must be linked to a particular > unit, but the link does not necessarily need to be retained between > meetings...) > > Thanks, > ART > ------------------ > Arthur Torrey > ------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 22:28:16 -0400 > From: Richard Stallman <[email protected]> > To: Patrick Anderson <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected], [email protected] > Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] New GNU > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 > > In other words, we need to be able to show (not just explain) how > User Freedom helps that person have a better life. > > "A better life" is somewhat ambiguous, so I don't necessarily agree > with that statement. > > I think it is enough to show people various ways that being under someone > else's power can hurt you. > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > President, Free Software Foundation > 51 Franklin St > Boston MA 02110 > USA > www.fsf.org www.gnu.org > Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. > Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 22:28:44 -0400 > From: Richard Stallman <[email protected]> > To: "Richard-qbiciii" <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected], [email protected] > Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] New GNU > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 > > What is the role of free software and the developers who believe in a > higher > cause? > > I tink free software IS a higher cause. Having control over your computing > is now an essential human right. > > Of course, this is part of the broader cause of human rights in > general. > > It is my belief that our role is to take back the freedoms that > have > been stolen from us by trickery and subversion. What can we possible > offer > to the masses? Another social networking program, word processor, or > some > cool nitch application? How about giving back their voices, security, > and > privacy. > > It sounds good, but it is very general. > > There is little doubt, to anyone > with any reasoning skills left, that we are moving rapidly to a fascist > state. > > I agree. > > While the new and popular movements , like OWS and such, are > beneficial, the > exposure of the message to the masses is still controlled by entities > who > are in fact enemies of the people. > > If you're talking about the problem of the corporate-dominated mass > media, I agree -- but how to change this is not clear. Many efforts > have been made, with only partial success. > > No one but the originator has the > private key, and in fact, no other attributes need be added if the > holder > does not wish to. The only thing that is important is that the > certificate > is unique and that it represents a valid living person. THAT IS ALL. > > This could be useful. I don't see how it relates to the issue > of how to get any messages out to the people, but it could be very useful > for other things. > > Do you mind if I ask some encryption experts to look at this idea? > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > President, Free Software Foundation > 51 Franklin St > Boston MA 02110 > USA > www.fsf.org www.gnu.org > Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. > Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss > > > End of libreplanet-discuss Digest, Vol 29, Issue 13 > *************************************************** >
