Dear list members,
I'm really glad this discussion has turned its focus to social impact and
social significance of free software and open source issue. Will is right,
software freedom is a priority; however those that can enjoy and practice
freedom chunk of software are a very small minority.

Let's just try to think of the adoption mechanism: Once early adopter /
non-technical communities start seeing the core value in document freedom,
they also become interested in the sort of software that supports the
platform/interface those documents are hosted. This must be somehow our
open-end in the tunnel for creating a vision of social good rather than
manipulative social intelligence and commercial stakes of states as well as
commercial IT/software giants. This would also ease our job of wider
dissemination of software / document freedom both micro and macro scales.

Cheers,

Asli

2015-03-10 7:51 GMT+02:00 Will Hill <[email protected]>:

> Thank you for doing document freedom work, but I think you have to put
> software freedom first in your explanations.  It's as simple as telling
> people that non free software works for other people and does bad things to
> the user.  The high cost of information ownership is more than apparent to
> people who's devices spy on them, won't let them share with their friends,
> or
> even own the media they think they are buying.  If you give people the
> right
> framework, they can work out the details for themselves each time some
> computer infuriates them.
>
> You can end your explanation of the benefits of free formats by telling
> people
> that non free platform owners can nullify all of the benefits.  Apple, for
> example, is being sued for deleting people's music that had not been
> purchased through Apple's store.
>
> I enjoy talking to Pirate Party people about these issues.  They have lots
> of
> interesting ideas and hopefully will be able to carry them out.  I also
> enjoy
> sharing with them some free software insights, like RMS's wonderful
> perspective and practical reform ideas,
>
>
> http://features.slashdot.org/story/13/01/06/163248/richard-stallman-answers-your-questions
> http://www.archive.org/details/20090203-Richard-Stallman-UofC-01
>
> One thing I think the Pirate Party should understand is that none of their
> reforms will have practical impact without software freedom.  We need to be
> careful that reforms undermine our oppressors without accidently torpedoing
> software freedom.
>
> On Monday 09 March 2015, Robinson Tryon wrote:
> > At least in the US, I'm not so sure that the general public sees the
> > importance or usefulness of things such as [software freedom]
> >
> >... we've got to start with small tidbits such as the intrinsic, personal
> > benefits of having access to one's own data, and build upon that
> > starting point as the basis for greater education and acceptance.
> > http://documentfreedom.org/
> > ...
> > Everyone on this list, or *everyone* ? If change is desired, we need
> > to have a solid, believable plan to sell to everyone out there who's
> > buying diapers and paying a mortgage based on income from proprietary
> > software and DRM'd media.
> > ...
> > Will there be many at LibrePlanet? It would be great to hear policy
> > positions, etc...
>
>
>
>


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